Where should you spend DETTY DECEMBER? - EP 10

Welcome to Am I Too Loud The Podcast. Oh my gosh you guys, welcome back to another episode of Am I Too Loud The Podcast with Selfie, aka The Audity. First off the gate, I wanted to address a few things, one, I've been getting feedback about the set, someone was like, oh the chair looks a bit uncomfortable, so if you want to get like a sofa style chair, and I was like, no, because like I really wanted the director chair, because I feel like my dream in the world is like to be a movie star, the director, so I feel like the director chair like encompasses like where I want to be in the future, plus I feel like he wouldn't be able to see the background properly, you only see this glass if I was sitting on anything lower, so that's one, two, I got comments about like having to sign up instead of lower, but I feel like again, hanging something off my balcony, it's just not feasible before we get a studio, and I just don't know what it is, but being an outdoor podcast, this feels like a thing I want to do, okay, I just love being outdoors, I love recording outside, I feel like I do all my content inside anyway, so this is like my only way, I'm sure they enjoy being outside, and I've been enjoying this so far, it might suck when it's wintertime and it's freezing, but for now we're living our best life outdoors, whatever, whatever, anyways, once we get that out of the way, it's before we get started, also you guys, we've finally got monetized on YouTube, we got 4,000 watch hours, we've hit 50,000 views already across the YouTube channel for all the videos, I'm speaking in the future, no, we'll be way faster, I think so, when it's episode drops, I feel like we'll be like, 100k views you think, I meant subscribers, oh, okay, if we don't have 100k subscribers, y'all need subscribers, okay y'all, currently on YouTube we have like a thousand subscribers, so I don't know where the only streaming to, we have 1,800, and 48, so we'll see, I'm posting, I'm filming this video, or I'm filming this podcast in October, so we're a bit like filming this early, because I feel like this conversation is relevant in December, but I really wanted to talk about it anyways, because I need to have a say about today's topic, which is, Dezi December, IJGB, I just got back Ghana in December, Nigeria in December, the year of return, African-Americans going back home to the continent, because everything that has to do with the December holiday season in Africa, we're talking about it today, so y'all grab your popcorn, grab whatever you're drinking, I'm drinking some red bull, I have my trusty iPad here, hopefully, by the time this episode drops, the previous, the new episodes are coming on, I've changed this iPad case, so it has the podcast logo on it, we'll see, but yeah, we're about to get started, let's do it, Dezi December, y'all, if y'all don't know what Dezi December is, Dezi December is what, we've sort of like named this trip, this mass exodus of African-slashed people across the world when they go back to the continent, honestly, Nigeria and Ghana tend to have like that, well it was all filmed on this in Nigeria first, that have like the name like downcat, it wasn't Nigeria first, because I know like Mr. Easy who was a huge like producer, creative, musician, artist, persona, everything, started like Dezi December party in Nigeria in about 2016, in Ghana, in Ghana, in Ghana, exactly, in Ghana, okay wait, so I have a video here, don't piss me off, oh no, actually, actually, I just said that to you know, it was a party in Migos, but it's easy, it was based in Ghana at the time, easy is Nigerian, he tried so hard to be nominal, I'm just joking, look what he is Nigerian, he is Nigerian, I know, but like he loves Ghana though, he loves Ghana, we're not going to focus, but also Ghana is really, we're going to get to that in a second, but to explain what we're talking about right now, thinking about like this from what I know, Mr. Easy started it like a party in Lagos in 2016, right, and I know that because my first Dezi December was 2018, and that was like the pinnacle of Dezi December antics, right, so we're going to give you a backstory, this December again like I was saying is this massive exodus of folks going back to the continent to basically party during Christmas, if you know Nigerians, let's talk about that subsets of people, if you know Nigerians, you know Nigerians party hard, our weddings are lit, like your party Mondays, just there's Obis House of Mondays, okay, Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, yeah, even Sundays, like we party every day of the week, maybe Tuesdays the day we rest, because I don't really hear a lot of parties in Tuesdays, you know what it's Wednesday, Wednesdays ladies nice, Tuesdays the night's forward, resting, the others, no, no, I think Tuesdays like rest day, I don't think it's a party on Tuesdays in Nigeria, there might be, but you know, call me on this, either way, that's pretty much how it is, but especially from December like 12 11 12 till January 4 5, there is this like just going to the continent idea where we all just go home, the clubs are popping, there's beach parties, raves, like it just feels like fun culture, and it was a party culture that Mr. Easy started in 2016, now Dezi December is taking on a mind of its own, because the amount of people now who are interested in this idea, like the admins of TikTok, Instagram, like so many people now talk about Dezi December, that has become an actual thing, like folks do not go home unless it's December for the party, the connections, the relationships, like their businesses built around the idea, and from December 11th to January 5th, Africans are going back home, and now it's become a good thing, especially with West Africa, Nigeria and Ghana, Ghana recently with Afrochela and Ghana, and like just having these huge parties, it's become a huge thing that everybody doesn't want to miss out on, and because of that, my tickets that I used to, because coming to Delta, Delta Airlines, United Airlines, Emirates, Qatar, all of you listening right now, because of this absolute nonsense, the absurdity of it all, I cannot go back to my own country without paying $6,000, cash money, to go to my birthplace, birthright, isn't that? I can't afford to go back home. I can't afford to go back home anymore, and much is not, I just, it drives me crazy, especially because if you think about it, these airlines don't even care about us, this is like such a sidebar ADHD folks, don't let me just round real quick, because if we think about it, okay, let's do, honestly, pause, because first of all, it's not like you guys give us the fanciest planes, let's talk about it, when we're going home in December, it's not like we get the fancy planes, because I have taken United Delta and Emirates, first of all, the flight from wherever I am to like, Atlanta is chef's kiss, the Air Force is very nice, the folks, the pilots and the captains know what they're doing, it's not bumpy, I'm chilling, let me hit that Atlanta airport, let me get to the international terminal, oh, oh, the blocks are here, okay, it changes, like I'm telling you, we don't even have food, I'm telling you, I'm not, the terminal to serve, the African's not, don't shoot the messenger, I'm telling you the path to different, and TBC is like, okay, let me put my stove, like even the different, like the AC's off, the AC, the terminal goes off, there's no ventilation, the chairs are raggedy, we're at the back, okay, we're at the back, and these planes, you're giving me 1985 planes to fly on, even the first class is not the same, and then let's talk about the air hostesses, they're ready for war, because they know that germs can be, we can't be a lot, we can't be a lot, we can't be a lot, but not as your job, the customer service, it's not that, they're giving you back to back, I've never seen, usually like planes, you see like, oh, hello, man, what are you doing, we're so sorry about that, man, man, man, please sit down, but they have to, they have to bring people that are up to five, because if you're air hostesses and you get, you're racist, not the way, you're racist, I guess you're all people, if you treated us with kindness, we'll treat you back with kindness, yes, if your air hostesses, if your air hostesses, you know, because auntie doesn't know what's happening, and before the plane goes off, the first two years, the most high is Jesus, you need to train people with that, yeah, we also need culture, because like, yes, yeah, but they don't do that, they always just greet us with aggression, especially in Delta Airlines, I love Delta, shout out to you, sponsor me, because y'all I'm telling you, so now that I have to pay $3,000 to $6,000 on the flight, I'm maybe taking a 1985 plane, how is that fair, to my motherland, to go to the home of my people, it's nice to have people in discrimination, I don't know, final plans, I'm just random, don't shoot the messenger, anyways, flights now cost between anywhere between $1,500 to $7,000, honestly, $10,000, you're going to first class, business class, and it gets crazy, y'all, because everyone is going back home now, and the flight surge is insane, but also that says a lot about the economic power and growth of like just having folks in the diaspora going back home for the continent, so let's get back to the conversation, that's the December, let's talk about it, sorry, you had a video from me, that's what I want to hold right, tell us Mr. Easy with credit already, okay, okay, I think let's start from the perspective of like, when we were living in Nigeria, and we had people coming, right, the IDGBs, but yeah, but I think IDGBs was not a thing, I don't think, till 2018, 2019, I don't think, and don't shoot the messenger again, but I just got back, the idea wasn't a thing until December, I began to happen, like when folks came back, it was like, oh yeah, you're coming back from the Yankee, because that party happened in 2016, but like, honestly, 2016, I would say makes sense, because I was, I came to America in 2014, I wasn't itching to go back home until 2016, because 2016 summer was a madness, like that's when, yeah, we skipped Madagrari, there was huge, Afrobeast was like, oh wait, oh wait, Afrobeast is like getting into its rhythm, and so we had a lot of parties in December then, 2017, I was like, oh I want to go home, I want to go home and roll back, because like, December is lit, like, some of us are always being lit, because africans, christmas, religion, you know, it was always a vibe, but 2018, yo, but I feel like, very December, like, what's it stands for? Yeah, that thing already exists, right? So like, the concerts, the rhythm on the floor, yeah, but I think it was made more expensive, yeah, but way more expensive, and way more targeted to the people coming back home, versus people already at home, right? I think that's the shift that happened from, like, post pandemic anyways, too, that this is the semi first was just like concerts already having like, echo hotel concerts with whisky and all those folks who are already happening at the point, and then I think post pandemic is shifted from, you know, folks celebrating folks at home to Afrobeast's to the world, come home, come enjoy it, and then that Ghana year of return, especially around how Blackboard treated during COVID here, I think pushed a lot of folks to start saying, yo, what is there for us back home? I think that's where I also love like, I see everybody talk about December in Africa, like I, I was a friend who was definitely not African, who was like, oh my god, I've heard December is like the best time to go home, and I'm like, yeah, it is, it might be get crazy, but like, that's really what the vibe is now. What? Did you just pause? Oh, I know you're looking at me like, that's what I was saying. Oh, you just look at some photos for all. But yeah, what is the IGGB experience? I think it's different because I feel like, first of all, IGGB means I just go back, the idea that you and African who was left home and you're just coming back, right? So you have an accent. Usually I think it was reserved for like the folks from the UK because they were closest to going home like six hours is not bad, this is six or four hours from the UK to Nigeria. Six hours, right? That's not bad. Conversely, like the nine hour director finally just started happening with the US or even like the 15 to 35 hour thing that we have to deal with here. But the idea is like, you're coming back home, I can identify you as and I just go back person because you have an accent. So the first step of IGGB, we're actually Nigerian born, where people were living in Nigeria. Mr. Easy for example, people were living in Nigeria who would go for school and they would always come back. Yeah, but I feel like that's what, we're saying the same thing, right? Yeah, I'm looking at the contrast. You're right, that's true, like that's not really it. First phase. Oh, you're saying like there's like dimensions, it's like levels to IGGBs. I do have friends who go to the UK for like a year to come back with accent. And you're coming back with their friends. So that was like the first thing. So like it feels like I just go back feels like the idea of like we know you're from here. Yes. But like this accent you're putting on is making you trying to tell us so send us a message that I'm just visiting. Exactly. I got to go back. I've left and I'm just coming back. I just go back. Yeah, I just I like that idea. Well basically that's what it is. But I also think the IGGBs are very separate because they're Nigerian born, Ghanaian born. I don't know if you think it's a more of a Nigerian thing. So like maybe Nigerian born. But there's also like the subtext of people who are visiting the tourists, right? Like folks who have no direct direct in the sense of like lineage and family being back home who live somewhere else I want to visit just for the shenanigans of it all. And I think Ghana has done such a great job at having that full experience on lock. I don't I think the difference between like a December and Nigerian Ghana is so stark for me. Like I would never tell someone don't shoot the messenger. I know y'all. I'm just going to drive me for this. I would never tell someone who's never visited West Africa to do December and Nigerian first. I would say do Ghana first. What? Because of okay. So you're talking about you're talking about the group of the person who wasn't born in Nigerian. There wasn't born in Nigerian. If you're a new person who's going you know like I've heard about December where should I go first? I would always say Ghana first because Ghana has a lot more structure. Ghana has that tourism. Yeah, Ghana has a tourist going on like you land you're going exactly to like hotels or beaches. There's direct access. It's not it's not as chaotic as Nigeria. I think Nigeria is like what are you trying to say? The Nigeria is like I don't punch you in the face in the best way. You want to go back for that December in Nigeria. Because it's a lot. Yeah, like Nigeria is yeah, but there's also traffic in Ghana. I think the difference is like you have to be an experienced West African night to enjoy Nigeria probably because you need to know the right people in Nigeria. You need to know where to go. Who's going to be this supporter and navigate you like there are people now who are trying to do like the full experience in Nigeria. Well, it's a lot easier to have that experience in a place like Ghana, Senegal, Cameron, all these other places in Nigeria. Like I'm just just moving very honest. If you don't know the layout like the layout of Nigeria, it's hard to enjoy proper December. If you're especially if you don't know anything you're starting from scratch. Okay, paying this picture for me because I feel like I'm understanding that we have a slight difference of what that December is, right? Okay, so what does America more than me? Yes, right? I have. Yes. Oh, 10 years. How many years? Uh, eight years. Okay. Oh my god. Eight years, but like I was going back and forth to 2019. Okay. Okay. So I feel like my experience a little bit different. So tell me. So let me tell you my first December experience. What is December in Nigeria? So again, so I'm one of the Nigerian born Nigerians born in Nigeria. I lived in my entire life so I was 16, 17 and I moved here to America. I stayed here for four years and I went back home. 2018 was the first time. My first December was game nights, bars, like maybe like a beach house beach front type of vibe. Very like, you know what I mean? Lashe yet. Okay. 2018 wasn't a Lashe for me. I was a baby. Okay. Lashe was like the big dog. You know what I mean? Like it was a lot of like game nights like community. Like I'm finally home. I can't wait to see my friends. Let's plan stuff. It was a lot of drugs, alcohol, sex. Wait. It was a good time, mommy. I'm sorry. My mom didn't know any of that. It's the reverse. You said drugs, alcohol, and the thing that you decided to believe. 18 plus guys. I know that. I was like, I can't say anything. I can say everything else. We're pretty much what's that for me. And it wasn't it was a concert. It's going to concert, meaning different people. It wasn't as packed as it is right now, but it was more like the underground things that would happen was what made December special then. And the exodus of like the e-boys in Nigeria goes to the village from like the 25th to the 29th. And so like the roads are clear. And then I get waiting for them to come back so the party continues to start. Like everybody had like an idea of what happened. Like 11th to 18th was like concerts. 19th was like beach parties and like Christmas prep and all that stuff. E-boys go to the village. I enjoy his boring. Folks who go to Ghana for that time, they're going to Ghana. Come back. That was the vibe. And in 2019 it was pretty much similar, but people started hearing some more about it so they came back. Concerts became a huge thing. The pandemic hit. And 2021 was like boom like restaurants, tours. Like Niki, our gallery. Like there was not like pain points of like what an ideal December checklist would look like. So that was like what was the Niki out gallery going to the art and culture market. The tarot culture market or something like that. You would go to a beach to a beach party day. You would go to like Zaza, the clubs, the lounges. You do all these things and then you also have parties with your friends. And you're going to stay at the club. And you're going to like five clubs in one night and getting out of the club at like 9 a.m. Make up still intact, shoes still on. You're going to like grab some like Suya from outside from the Malam and you've had a great party. And you're doing that every single day till the end of December into January. And that's December. Okay, so that's your experience. What is your experience? It's interesting because I think that experience you just experienced is like every day giving a big loss. Yes. Right? It's the beach parties. It's amplified the way it's in December. It's not necessarily. It is. It's out. If I want to go now, if I want to go to Obis house on a Monday, now in October, it's not as crazy. It's still packed, survived. Well, the traffic is not down all the way. Oh yeah, yeah. That's what I mean. Like the traffic, the people, like you're not getting 400 people trying to get somewhere. You're going to be getting 200. Yeah, it's not going to be as expensive. True. Yeah, like it's just, I think the market now is because it's so many who are interested in December experience, it's a lot more things happening to a double down. Yeah. Okay, so let's say I wanted to go back to Africa, right? That's in December. So I'm sure Ghana. Yeah. What should I do first? Oh my god. It's just a question. Okay. First buy a ticket early on. If you're a first-timer, early, like, major. Okay. April major is like an ideal time to get tickets. Tickets are going to range from $1,000, to about $2,500. If you've never gone to the continent or like to West Africa, I always say Ghana is always like the quickest, safest bet. I always say Ghana is like the safest quickest bet because Ghana usually has like set things to do as a lot more tourism behind it. If you feel like you're a solo traveler, doing travel groups is always like really, really suggested. I know my friend, any given Sunday in TikTok, I'm going to try to like link her stuff a short TikTok of her here. She does a great job of like freaking out the travel group she goes with. If not, if you like you want to dive straight in and just go straight into it, then you can do Nigeria in December. And the same thing, like if you're a solo traveler, try to get a friend, try to get a group, try to get someone if you've never been to Nigeria. So at least help you through the process. So buy a ticket in like April, May, June. You're now in Ghana, you have your travel group, you're set. Usually we do ice scenarios for you. If you are alone or you have your friends and you're ready to do it, plan like a good range of activities to do. Like why? Yeah, I'll say if you're going to don't go. To Ghana or to Nigeria? Well, I think you can still survive as a solo traveler in Nigeria because you're going to make friends. Now, it might be an interesting experience in Nigeria. Yeah, I think it survived. Honestly, I would say you just have to learn, you're listening right? Because if you can survive in New York City alone, you can survive Lagos. I have a lot of white friends who like I talked to and they're like, oh my god, I love this jewelry and I was in Lagos doing this. Yeah, but they're white. It's different. It's a different experience if you're white. Africa is a whole different experience if you're white. Let's not get into that conversation now. Don't know. Don't get me in trouble. No, no, no. What I just heard, I'm like, huh, that's not wrong. It's not wrong. It's absolute factor. You're probably safer. Absolutely. You're 20 times safer if you're a white person or more. They'll be excited to help you out. If you're a white person, they don't make you feel the same way. The guy can't cross the effort. Yeah, yeah, crazy, beautiful. Of course, my friend who did the Puget Drive, for the movie, crazy. She was every turn she was stopped. Always harassed. She was so many things. Like, so do you even travel across Africa as a black person is unfortunately a problem? Let's not get into that. Okay, so you're black. So you're black going. Yes. So we'll travel. Yes. What should I do? I said, go to my god, go to Ghana and go through, go through a child that I can't speak. Go to Ghana and go through a travel group first. Okay. And then Nigeria could be the second or third year. So I feel like once you could survive Ghana, Nigeria is like not going to be a piece of cake. When I enjoy an even better experience and a lot more like pumped up experience. I like to say like Nigeria is like New York City on crack. Like that's like my, because I love New York because it reminds me so much of Lake Austin, Nigeria. Like in the way New York like is something going on. Like I'm doing my podcast on my balcony right now and the noises are constant. The honking, the helicopters flying was not a lot of helicopters as well. Like the helicopters flying, the folks yelling, cursing like that is Lagos and then imagine that goes with an additional. I actually wonder how many people actually travel back home. I wonder if there's a census for that. I wish they actually did some like a million maybe. Is that over there stating it? I'm not sure. Okay, so he says the number of people who go to Nigeria for this December is typically more than 80,000 people. In 2019, about 1 million people visit Nigeria, which was a 45% increase from previous year. It has to be more than a million now. Because it has to be more. It has to be more because you have, because remember, right? It's not just people from the US, it's people from the UK, people from New Zealand, Australia. Like Nigeria is like, I have to say everywhere. We're back to your experience. Okay. What are some of the fun things? Like tell me like some stories. Oh my God. Let me tell you this story about like this December. If you're like thinking about like this December. I'm not going to give you all years, but it was a pre pandemic debt system. Maybe it was post actually. But like some of the experiences from this December from Mayan was there was a time that this was as a girl. There's some privileges that I have. And one of the craziest things that has happened to me was there was, so me and this friend, we planned a December together, right? It was just both of us. We didn't want to stay with family. So we literally, we had this guy paid for us to live in this place called Equatlantic. Equatlantic is like, it's really nice beachfronts sort of like waterfronts area in leaky phase one. I'm wrong. Where Barbit used to be? Yeah, Victoria Island. Victoria Island. And so he paid for us to say, and it's like really, really nice like three bedroom house. We had his like card, like his credit card. And our entire trip was just on his card. And literally he will come into the room. You all against doing me a lot, but what literally like he will give us his card. I'm telling you like, nothing was exchanged. Like, no bodily fluids were exchanged or anything. It was simply just, we have his card. Just like your face like that. What does that mean? Like we didn't have sex. Yeah, but how do you exchange your body fluids? I should not be teaching her not to be unbiology dumb. No, no, how? Explaining. Body fluids. Yeah, like kissing. Oh. Okay, we, it's okay. Moving on. But it was literally just like that. I feel like a lot of women like experience that in December. If you're going home, if you're at the club, like you're getting bottles, you're getting money spent on your like, there was one time at the club the friends I was with, I think our bill then was about 20 million NARA. And that was just like, no, that was the first club of the night. Where we're like, oh, we're just pre-gaming. It's pretty chill. That's how much they're spending. And that was nothing from my pocket. It's just me to look pretty and just be chilling. That's literally what these strengths are. December experience is. Oh, you smile at it. It could never be you. If anything, I might do it that side. You are into it. You will definitely turn million. It's pressure. I'm telling you, we'll miss out over there popping bottles. What are you going to do? Look. Yeah. I'll sit in the corner. Okay. So how does someone find a rich? They're everywhere. It's liquor. Yeah, but tell us though. Give us the tea. I'm sure we all want to know because like nobody wants to go actually for the girls, right? It's like you don't want to go to Nigeria and like not spend your own money. No, but I also feel like it's weird for me to be the one saying this because you guys, I'm also trying to be like a great role model, role model, right? So the people who are listening to me right now, I don't want them to think it's the right thing to do or the wrong thing. I think it's maybe just that good financial advice. Save your money. Don't spend your money. Spend another person's money. Because you know what's crazy about it is like the way I am, I tend to not let other people spend money on me. Like even that like me saying like all my friends are with me. It was more so like, well, you guys are spending all this money. I'm already drinking so you can enjoy it. But for the most part, I'm usually, let me give you this story. Okay, ADHD is such a bastard. So Joyce came to visit New York, right? And we went to this really, really popular restaurant in New York City. I'm not going to name names. It was an Nigerian restaurant. We're partying. We're having fun. And like it's about to be done and like we both get up to leave. And then Joyce is like, I'm putting on my card and Joyce looks at me and she said, what are you doing? I said, oh, I'm paying. She said for what? I said for the food and drinks we did. She said, like why? Like, you need to just say hello to like the owners and like this guy on the bar and then this and then all this people. I was like, yeah, but I tend to always like pay my bills, especially in America. Like the, the, it's different here. Like men are not going to see you, even though they can't see how do you and they respel all that stuff. They're not going to pay your bills for the most part in New York that I know of. They tend to not pay those bills. And I just do it because I'm also like, I got it. I'm going to spend it anyways. And she looked at me like I was crazy. She was like, girl, I will whip your ass. Put that freaking card down. Let him come here because you're posting for them. You're doing all these things. It makes no sense that you're going to have to pay the bill in Nigeria. If I went out, I would never ever reach for my pocket. Like I would never reach for my card because I know somebody's going to pay for it. Now, I don't know if that's a bad or a good thing. I just know that there was one time I did that with a Nigerian man and he got so insulted at the fact that I reached out for my card to pay the bill. He was like, never do that again. That's just disrespectful to me. Did the Nigerian man you were talking to me? No, it's a friend. No, he was just normal. He was a normal guy. I think for a lot of like the fun part of December is like, African men also tend to be like providers, right? That's the, that's like, there's an unpack of masculinity and how that affects their marriages and their lives. And for the most part, there are ways to be financial providers, which I hope they also will use that money to start investing in therapy and emotional awareness and tell it just what they don't tend to do. No, because it's true. I'm not, do not shoot the messenger. I'm serious. That's really what it is. When the IDGBs would come back to Nigeria. Yeah. That was the most exciting time for me. Because I've worked all year. Y'all don't like swipe people. That's why. No, no, no. I'm talking about the UK like, you know, no one always aspires to be nothing other than non- Nigerian. That's not true. With the, what do you call them? Like, are we going to 57 or escape, you know? I'm going my friends to quick off, you know? We're going to have a time to share all of them. Yeah, she said, I don't think that's what they sound like. But that's true though. That's true to what the vibe is, right? It's like, I miss it. I miss, and I'm not going to Nigeria this year. I'm going to be in Ghana because my problem never been to Ghana. So my first time going to Ghana, I'm really excited about it. So if you see me in Ghana, say hi. I'm really excited to finally experience Ghana. Because I've done the Nigerian thing and it's always just so overwhelming for me. Because I know how foam is without everybody like there. So I prefer home, when it feels like home. July is my good time to go home, relax, like meet people, see family, not being traffic for six hours in a day. Like, actually have a good time. And I'll probably go back to Nigeria probably next year is the goal. But I think for this year, definitely just going to Ghana. I'm sure it won't be Nigeria. Everybody says that. Everybody's asked me that. Everyone's like, are you sure? Like, I can't, I know you. I can't, but you've been right there, Ghana. I know it's going. It's like, honestly, that's not the plan. That's not the plan. And that's the thing, it's like, you go to Ghana and you feel like you're bolded off to go to Nigeria. Then you should have. I'm going. Yeah, but I'm like, I'm making so much money. I'm going to go to Nigeria this year that I'm like, if I go over, it's going to laugh at me and be like, so for you, you said you're not going to go. Why don't you think you, why don't you want to go to Nigeria? Because it's a lot more chaotic. I'm not going to do, like if I'm in Nigeria for December, I know I am going to the beach to restaurants to clubs. Yeah. You make it sound like it's not fun. I've done that every year for the past four or five years. What are you going to do? Same, but it's a different experience because I'm not from Ghana. I've never been to Ghana. So I get to see the Kwameung from my memorial. That's the gold star. You've never been to Ghana. I've never been to Ghana. So it's an experience in itself to go to Ghana and see what Ghana is. Like, I've never, I've never gone to Ghana at all. Like, I wouldn't travel to besides Togo and Minin. This is in place. This is separate, right? Yeah, it's a Togo Minin. So you go from like Nigeria into the Republic? Yes. Togo? Yes. And then you get to Ghana. That's how it is. I'm never going to pass. You never going to pass. Yeah. Togo. Togo. I'm not going to pass. Any of that either way, I'm not going to pass it. No. That's actually. So that's interesting. Like, I'm excited to go to Ghana. I have someone special in Ghana that I want to really see too. So like, I'm excited. So I play there with the advocate here. Okay. I think if people want to go, they need to go to Nigeria first. Why? Because if Nigeria is just like, it's the place. That's the vibe from people's experience. I think Nigeria can. I mean, Ghana will be gone. I mean, it can. Niger is overwhelming. It can. But like, we do Nigeria is like the always activities. Like, Nigeria is genuinely just. I push it back. If that's if you know the right people, Ghana just has like, if you know the right publicity, all you know, I'm telling you, Ghana has structure. Like, think about it even from like, the last time I went home, I ended up getting an Airbnb somewhere like Lucky Face 1. And maybe I didn't have water cleaning water. And I remember asking, like, I was going on like, and this is someone who lives, who used to live back home, right? And I was going to like, oh, like, yeah, like it was by like, you know, I'm just like, you know, you know, you've gone, all that water, you'll come and sound like that. It must have been someone who was in my people back home. That's one of them. No, no. You see, you know, you see, you know, do you play and develop? We can say, like, don't even say that. Let me know. My ship's up for it now. This is a devil. I mean, it's not true. I'm okay. That was the other kids off. Okay. Right? Because Eagle went to she went to school in Ghana. Okay. The Ghana of now, like this, this like post-pandemic Ghana. Okay, so let me see this. Okay. I am not saying Ghana is better in any regard around like provision and stuff like that. I just say, it's Ghana presents this idea of tourist structure. So you land at the airport. You have people that probably greet you with your group. You have like tours that you're going to go to take photos at the gold star, or this, and that. You probably go for appernation, or for cellar. You probably go to the Mr. Easiest part. You probably go to the zoom align. Like, their festivals are going to plan to go to that have like the structure where you would be. There's like excursions. There's like, there's certain things and checks that you do that feels a lot more controlled than a Nigerian perspective. Now, I'm not saying that can be happening in Nigeria. Well, I'm saying that there is less opportunities for travel groups like that to create that similar experience in Nigeria. Like, if you're in Nigeria and you land at Somershala Mohammed Airport. No, that's, that's what I was going to say because you land in Mutual Mohammed. Chaos. Well, like, I think the, like, you've been getting to the Ghana small. Yeah, when I think Ghana, I'm thinking, I'm thinking Akra, I'm thinking Kumasi, I'm thinking Kema because I want to go to all these places. Most of you get to Akra. Like, all those things are curated. Yes. Like, the whole slavery thing, right? If you're going to visit that in Nigeria, you have to go seven hours to Badagrin. I see what you mean. Like, even going to, like, if we're doing all like this, we're going to all the more rock. Like, right. It's like, Oakland. It's so good. Like, it's so far. And folks just know Legos, right? And if we're like, what are the things in Legos that people are going to want to sightseeing? Nicky, our gallery. It's so funny that you say that. What else? It's the most like tiny love. It's like, it's like, it's fun. That's always existed. Yeah, you know, I mean, like, and I always like see a lot of folks who are like, what else to do back home? Oh, there's something else. What is the only corn museum? So, a new corn museum in around Ikoyi. That's good. That's where Moorita, Moorita, Moorita, Muhammad, the president of that. You know what I push for? I wish that we actually, I don't know what the problem is. I wish there was a lot more of intention around tourism in Nigeria. That's what I'm saying. But the opportunities endless. Right. Because like, I think because like, I grew up in like that island area. What am I supposed to be? Well, chin so much. It's so bad. I'm so sorry, you guys. I think that's what it is because because I grew up in that island area. I don't also think about it, right? mainland versus island. How many people who even come to visit Nigeria walk to the mainland? No, they won't because like, they'll literally just go from the airport. They'll just pass through straight and they'll even tell you don't look outside the window to go straight. Yeah, tell me how many is this like. Yeah, that's it. And most planes in Nigeria, like they're coming from America, 90s and 90s. That's it. We don't even look at anything. Yes, you can see anything. And for the most part, there's no light. Exactly. So, I think it's interesting when you navigate that in that way. Also, I'm, again, just going back to the fact that Delta, United, Emirates, country of fucking days, because it's too expensive still. Okay, this is random. Let's do, let's do something. Okay, end up if you do like, if you want to go to Nigeria. Okay. This is the places that you should go to. You can't tell me that on the spot now. I got a search for stuff. No, no, no, you know stuff. Honestly, if you're going to go to Nigeria, I feel like I wish people more people went to like an Abuja, like went to Lagos, went to Ulmer, went to like the surrounding areas that's not just Lagos, went to the mainland. Like, I wish there was more intention around visiting Nigeria as a whole. I think for me, it's really cool because the love for going back home, especially around December, is the fact that like, the community, especially from the diaspora, is so beautiful to see. Like, I grew up in a time where being African was not the most popular thing, right? It was just like, you can hear this about African buciccacha, don't go back home. People don't even want to like say their parents are African. And the fact that like so many people are so excited to go back home to experience, even if it's just the party, the music, the fun, I love that. And I just, I envy the fact that Nigeria didn't hop on the year of return trend a lot more than Ghana did because I love the pool of bringing in African-Americans into the conversation, right? Just shut the diaspora for everyone else. How are we able to like see like, hey, this is a signal to everyone out there who might be interested in coming home. Anybody want to play me something? Yeah. Okay. In 2019, what country launched the year of return, birthright journey for African descendants? Nigeria. No? I was ran? Yeah. Ghana. I love that so much. Well, you see pause. I'm so curious if you're going to listen to this or you have any knowledge of this, please comment why, first of all, who is the royal in that situation? Like who is the person because like the idea of the year of return, who is the royal that they're going to see? Because I imagine if we're trying to do a year of return in Nigeria, what tribe? It's increasing them when they come to Lagos, right? Like, what is that? Because you see where the tourist grab is? Like the Kente cloth, the going to the king, the this, the that. Like, I don't want to say the façade? Maybe that's not the right word. Like the packaging. The packaging, right? It's very interesting. I wonder what kind of packaging we can attribute for Nigeria. Like, when they're like, is it going to be like Illegu Shii, right? Illegu Shii is like a king, a king Illegu Shii, like on the island in Nigeria, or is it going to be like, you know, I mean, like who, who is going to be the king, who's going to be receiving this people? What does that look like? Everything. I doubt that. That's why it's hard. It's hard. It's going to be impossible to do something like that. You mean like in one event? Yeah. That's difficult. But that's why Ghana is able to do the tourist thing really well, right? Because I don't know who the king is. I don't know even how Ghanaians receive the idea of like, you know, they're coming home, the year of return. But I love it. And I think this is my call to like African-Americans, black folks who are listening to this episode, who are each of them, death of the Senba. I think there's a beauty and connectivity of going back to Africa in some capacity. I hate the disconnect often times happen with our people. And I would love for folks like that to just have the experience of it all. Like slavery took a lot out of us, right? From on both sides. And I think it's beautiful to see that like line that Ghana drew to say, hey, like we're here, come home, enjoy it, have fun, have a good time. And I also love that I see TikTok too saying like, hey, come back, come visit, go anywhere around the world and just have fun with it. Right. Yeah. I think education is also at the core of it. Yeah, that's true. Like you just need to learn because like that's one thing I love. I seem to get that so much in America, right? You came here and we learned a lot of things. Yeah. And like if you go to Nigeria, you go to Ghana, you go to all the different African countries. You learn a lot about the people who live there. They don't even know about Africa as a country. Exactly, right? They think Africa as a country. Because you're talking about like the alba is in like the festival. Yeah. And these are things that are not just happening during death of the Senba too, right? But those are things that don't even happen. I have, you know what I mean? Like someone needs to package, right? Let's we just need to work on packaging. Yeah. Like if you're not enjoying listening to this, let's work on packaging. Let's do like the old, uh, old, uh, old deal. By the time in Lagos, it's a good state or is it on do? You know what I mean? Like stuff like that, I wish we had more of that to bring in the storytelling that we really, really wanted to share. But I'm also really excited. I think that the Senba is a way for folks, black folks around the world to just simply enjoy life on the continent and see that like we can live it up. Okay? Like Africans can party hard and I think that's the beauty of it too. It's like when we're going out, you're not, you're not asking if we're not, if you're listening to the music, you're just listening to music and you're vibing out. You're not necessarily thinking of where you come from. We just literally home with people who look like hearing, having a good time doing it. Black people come to Ghana, you're welcome, you're the return or beyond return. Yeah. But once we get here, there's no soft landing first, there's no resources, there's no help. Office of diaspora affairs certainly doesn't do anything to help us. No. Yeah, they're not ready. And even as far as like infrastructure wise, like why y'all want us to come put more bodies on these roads that are already, you know, so it was like no. But I think many of us who are here are here to help contribute to, I speak for myself, to contribute to the improvement in the development of this country. So I'm committed. You know, I'm here and I'm committed to being a part of the change I want to see and that's it. But no, they weren't ready. I don't even think they understood what it meant to even tell us to come back here, but we're here. Connected minds podcast. Are you getting your thoughts? Comments? I want to see comments. I want to see comments. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I have so much to say about that video. I'm trying to first not say my first thought, which was there is a certain level of entitlement, right, that comes with living in America. And I say that as someone who was born back on one who lives here now, I even see it in myself too, right? Because I think when you see what looks like structure, right? You perceive that as how everywhere in the world is. And I think from her conversation, her expectation of going back to Ghana, and going back to Africa and saying they're not ready for you is the idea that when you get there, you're going to get a rosy landing. You're going to get the five star hotels. You're going to get the five star treatment. You're going to get all these things, which even if you were an African coming to America, you still it's still the exact same thing you're going to get treated with. Like you're still going to come here. Like if I landed in New York at JFK, JFK Airport is crazy. Like I'm like, is this really the America that that's not what I was told, right? You're still going to if you landed, if you went to West Virginia, if you went to Detroit, if you went to Alabama, I sometimes look around America and go, is this the America I was promised? Because that's not New York, right? Because they're also pockets like that in everywhere in the world that does not have structure. So I get frustrated when I hear sentiments like that because it's simply not true. However, it's also like a symptom of being in a third world country. Like it's a third world country for a reason, right? Like there's infrastructure issues that are going to always happen. And I like ish that she ended the conversation with, I am here to help. Why also I saw another teacher, I don't know if you have a here, where there was a sentiment from someone who was basically saying, we need to go there, we need to fix their roads for them and then they can help with they can assist us in like continuing on the work. And for me, I hated the otherism that was happening, right? The idea that this is like an other group of people who need help and like there is subservient to who we are. And again, I think that's where the entitlement comes from. What are your thoughts on it? I don't understand what resources you think she's pouring into the place, right? Yeah. And also, right, like your seeing is called a developing country for a reason, right? And they're making steps like, just imagine she's going to Ghana. Yeah. And that's her take. Yeah. Right? If my name is she giving to Nigeria. What that take will look like. I know I think I get so frustrated and I think I'm seeing this as as someone who lives both, like I live in a really nice fucking apartment in New York. I'm living my dream life. And when I go back home, like my life is not the same, right? Well, there's certain luxuries that I have back home that I would never have here, right? Like that's just like, that's just life, right? That's just what life back home is. I, there's so much nuance between the black existence in America versus like being African. And I always see that. And that's why I always preach about bridging the gap in some capacity. Because I really think I wish we saw each other more as partners in this way than like folks who are constantly butts in heads because even conversation and rhetoric like this is unfortunate, right? Because we come, we're comparing the experience to a country that's been around for 400 years, who went through slavery, who went through different wars, who is like at the forefront, this is America, at the forefront of all these technological advancements, who is taking the brains and the power from the continent to their country to then use it and take advantage of it. So we're left with nothing. That's what the story is in Africa. That's why we're even, we're using the nothing that we're left with to create the incredible life that we have for ourselves. And I wish we all understood that thinking because I think it would shape our perspectives a lot differently. I think that's what my frustrations lie. But also that also comes with a lot of empathy from both sides, right? Like if an African listened to this, it's like, it makes sense if I'm used to a certain lifestyle in America to go to ones who go to Ghana and think, oh, I don't know what to expect but here it is, right? And then you see, of course it's not going to be a something. But she also talked about like infrastructure, right? Yeah, because it's true. But like, I don't remember last time I went to Ghana. Ghana has one of the best airports in Africa. Compared to here, like compared to here from someone who's never been to Ghana, right? For them it's going to be always not going to be the same like the roads, like all that stuff. Yeah, it makes sense. Like we're not going to lie and say it doesn't make sense. The rules for Ghana are good. Not that everywhere is not going to be perfect. Unless she went to Ghana. No, that's not true. I'd be on the phone with someone in Ghana and like, words always shaking. Yes, in that crowd. Where are they going to do that? I don't know, but the word is always shaking. My thing with that is I want us to understand that it's a different vibe, right? Like we should not lie. Like if I ever went to Bali, for example, right? I'm not expecting a New York level of anything in Bali. If I went to Mexico, I'm not expecting a New York level. I'm not going to expect certain things because I know what I'm expecting. I think we as travelers and as people just need to understand researching more about what you're going to, right? Because I guess what I keep saying like here, I'm like, oh, if you're going to go to, if you're going to go to Nigeria, Ghana in December, making sure you're actively researching where you're going. How do Nigerians engage when you get to the airport? Who's going to greet you there? You know the folks are going to ask you for money? Yeah, at the airport. That alone is a crazy, even me who's from home? I guess the airport and I'm sweating because I know I'm about to face a fight. Well, I think that's the beauty of like living back home. Like that's your people. That's the fun of it. Where I think there's like works is what I like to say of like being Nigerian or being Ghanaian and like experiencing life in that way. And I wish we had more empathy around those situations. I don't think we do. You educate yourself so you're not shocked. Yeah, because someone says as the foreigner does, don't stay in the city of Ghana. You regress, stay in the village. You feel happy and comfortable. Okay, first of all, no. No, no, no, that's actually because you know, because they're not perpetrating the idea of like Africa is all villages, right? Because if you say, oh, no, that's not how I read that. No, I read that. I was like, stay, those days since I've gone, I regret it. And the village will be more comfortable. I have it because like you're just going to be true because like you're selling the idea of like, because if you think about it from a tourist perspective, or when you hear Africa, you're thinking, oh, I'm ready to like, you know, safari it up, right? I'm going to be in the safari and I know because I think about it from a soft planet perspective. That's what I get when I people think Africa. And so when they come to a place like Nigeria, Ghana, and there is infrastructure, you just might not be like up to part of what an America infrastructure looks like, which again, I might argue that down because besides the airport chaos and maybe better roads, there's some roads in front of my house in New York that trash, like their potholes here. So like, I think what I understand from that comment is because if you go to places like Kumasi, right? The people are undibuted, right? They're like, they do. Well, that's also perpetrated an idea of like what Africans are. That's the because like in places like Accra, right? There's a lot of modernization happening. Yeah. Without like proper training. Yeah. So it's very like, it's a miss. Absolutely. But who decides what he'll miss is I think that's just a quirk I'm living there. Do you think so? It's growing pains. Let me give you a demo. Okay. It's growing pains. I think it's ridiculous to expect countries who are 40 to 60 years old to have incredible things already done. Like to have these amazing technological advancements in their economy and infrastructure and all that stuff. That's the reality. Like, especially countries who were not even, it wasn't really their choice to be countries. Like, we're navigating so much anyways as Africans in that space, right? Like, the dichotomy or the duality of being like living in Lagos versus living in Abuja versus living in Honduran. There's so much already that you're not being as being African in general. But you know, I don't want you to add onto that. Like, we're going to step by step. Okay. What are you about to say? What about ownership? What do you mean? Because you just said like, you talked about who we're dealing with want to be countries, right? Let's talk ownership. Okay. What are the people like the government, the tourists, right? If you want to invite people to say, hey, come to my country, right? Make the experience at the airport better. Yeah. For sure. Yeah, but also like, you know, yeah. Corruption. Yeah. You're going to make, make, make the experience better. Of course. Of course. Again, corruption. The reason why I know I can go to Nigeria. Yeah. I don't want to talk to my dad. I don't want to talk to him. Yeah. It's like, it's easy. I just know I will pay someone now with my, exactly. Come and pick me up right from that. Right from the point. I would like to do something. Absolutely. So we should stop. We should invite anyone. I like my piece of mind. I think that's, I don't know. Maybe I don't know because even I think there's a beauty in living like that where I feel like what? So Ghana was the first sub-Saharan African countries to gain independence in 1957. Before Nigeria. Yeah. So they have the need of us. That's like the independence. They have three years. They have three years. Don't basically, but also like, but also the like, we're not going to start. We're not going to get it. We're not going to give us three years. We're not going to give us three years. People in 20, even those three years, a long time ago, don't let 20, 27. Please. Y'all, we've never actually shot this late at night. And I really like this vibe with the podcast. So like, this is a vibe. This gives me like, this is number energy. I'm like, what, if you're watching, if you're listening to Spotify, jump on YouTube to see what I'm talking about. But basically, this is like for my balcony. We tend to film really earlier during the day. But now it's like night time. The lights are coming out in the city. It feels very viby. The breeze is cool and chill. Like, I really like this. We should start filming at night. I think it's like really cute. Anyways, as we're saying, oh god, Donald has a comment for me. They've been living in America since their birth. And America has never been ready for black people. They have no rights, no respect, no help. They should have a second class and then they want us. What? What's this basically saying? What's it saying? I don't get it. What is it saying? He's saying that they need us. That's what he meant. Who? Who needs us? Like the people in the diaspora. I wouldn't say there's need. I would push back on that sentiment and say, there's emptiness, right? There's a reason why people want to come out. Emptiness is like a weird way to put it. I want to say, I'll say, let me tell you what I think. I aspire or I hope for a time where if you have the same color as my skin or like you're from like you're black essentially and that's like a broad term that we don't see each other as competition but more in community, right? But I think life has happened so harshly to us in different ways that to even break that will be a lot. Like I think about it even from like the beef between Ghana and Nigeria and Nigerians and South Africans, Tanzanians and Nigerians, like there's a lot underneath that we're even dealing with that I can't even want to unpack. But let's go back to like African-Americans versus Nigerians or like versus Africans in the first place and this discourse is always always happening. This idea like we need to bridge a build a bridge between the two. I think the bridge is already there. I think the choice is on both sides to choose to climb across. And I think my hope is that we're going to just keep that bridge there and as time goes on we'll continue to see that that's where like crossing continue to happen. And I think this December is a beautiful time. It's a beautiful way for us to like get that connection after a beat. It's been so huge. It's a huge way to start bridging that gap some more. But I also like we'll always say like empathy. Empathy is always what I think we need best. You have a thought? I agree. I agree. I'm just going to talk about like even artists that started to do concerts, right? It's like Chris Brown did he has the concerts in South Africa. I think more things like that would help because it's exciting, right? Like there's so much I wish you know people in the diaspora could understand a little more about Africa. But I think it's also if they don't. I wish they did. It's not though. You know why? Because I think the freedom, right? Pride, strengths, all these things comes from education. So you could tell you argue devil's advocate here. Can you argue then that Jamaicans should also learn a lot about Africa? I agree yes. But the argument is not as strong. It's because Jamaicans wouldn't want to. I wouldn't say we shouldn't say they wouldn't want to. But the difference there, right? I think we underestimate and we try to water, we watered down the black American experience like the culture. Not you. I'm saying like society. America does that. Where we watered down the culture and say there is no culture there. So they need to connect to back home. We say the same thing for black American and black UK folks, right? Whereas like, oh, you don't have culture. So you should go back home. I don't think that's true. I think the black experience in America has uniquely become the black experience. It's varied. But America is huge. So even like the white experience in America is varied too. Like if you're from the south, you re erase white southern is very different from how your black southern is erased. Black folks from LA versus white folks from LA. Like there's a difference in how you were raised across across across America is a huge melting pot. I get that. I hate that this rhetoric of oh because there's no culture here you need to go back. I think that's where the button heads comes in because what you're telling people is you don't have a culture to come get our culture, but there is no connectivity there, right? But this should be an interest. And not necessarily interest of this is where I was from. My great-great-great grandfather and great-great-great-great. Great-great-great, the interest should exist. But why? It doesn't have to be. It doesn't have to be. But I person, and this is my view, me projection of other people, living in the world and non-understanding like global culture. Yeah, but that's different though. Yeah, for sure. For sure. But that shouldn't be something we should push on folks. Like if there's an interest, if there's an interest to enjoy. But it would be an interest. Yes, there would. How? If I'm listening to, if I'm listening to a Tyler song, right? And I really like water. It makes sense to Google South Africa and see what that's all about. I'm just saying. That's a crazy thought process. I see what you're saying. No, I'm just saying like in general. That's what interest is. Like if I hear this in December a lot on TikTok and I'm like, what's this? That's the summer thing. And I Google and it's like Ghana and Nigeria. Oh my God, I should visit Nigeria. It's the same way when I'm planning trips, right? My bias is I'm like, oh my God, I can't wait for a Europe summer. I have a light. Never said, I want to go to Namibia. Oh, I want to go to a safari. Why not? I'm just telling you, my bias is like I've never said that. Okay. So my goal is like, oh, I want to go to like Singapore. I want to go to Japan. I want to go to Tokyo. Right. But I'll never say, oh, I want to go visit Morocco. This is my bias. Okay, this is yours. Only because. Because because I'll say this. Yeah. I think if you're not, if you don't, I can need to know about the country. Like you need to be able to mention absolutely 90% of the 57 countries in Africa. Absolutely. You need to know what each country can you mention 57 countries? I can mention 50. Should we go? No, I can't mention 10. But that's I'm staying like, oh wait, let's try. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Pull up an African map. Let me try. Let me try. Let me try. Oh my God. This one. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Can you mention? Let me try 10. Okay. Five. 10 African countries. Okay. Please don't subscribe. Don't. Can you? One. Egypt, Libya, South Africa, Tanzania, Togo, Benin, Senegal, Madagascar, Nigeria, Ghana, Ghana, Ecuador, Guinea, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Namibia, Sierra Leone. What's the other one? I'm still coming. She's like at 15. Okay. I'm going to Asia, Morocco, but I'm staying every summer. I'm still going. I'm all working. I'm just adding. Sudan. Sudan, South Sudan, Congo. Well, that's I know. Cameroon. Cameroon. I'm close. I'm close. Okay. I'm bored. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's what I'm saying. And that was and this is like we have over a big on people in Africa, Yes, we have over 220 million people in my year alone. Yeah, we have like millions of people in Ghana Yeah, but also, but I also think isn't it also up to our tourist boards to push for that Yes, but also again pause. I have another exam pause. I also says I'm the first right for kids. Where's he? I was listening to this podcast like triple podcast Okay, it was interviewing a guy and the guy talked about like going to Senegal for the first time and seeing black people surf. It's like he's micro-comprehend the fact that like black people could surf. Yeah, and do these things like pause also are we thinking 10 20 years in advance versus having are these countries focus on infrastructure on tourism or accessibility or comfort because imagine folks in Nigeria right now you're telling me oh the government wants to now spend x-ray and z-billion amount of money to invest in like catering for the world to be coming in when they've not been satisfied with the people who are already there. But that's how they satisfy the people, right? Because they bring in like the credit and jobs and stuff. The countries who don't have Yeah, but again, again I think when you think about like what we're exporting we're exporting out it's still we're still at the city in this country again African countries are so young and that's so young in the terms of like the countries and the lines that they're why is my life. Because you're so you'll be nice with it. I'm not being nice. I'm not being nice. I'm not being nice. I'm not being nice. Africa is so young. It's so I think we I think we project so much of like what we think the western world is and we're comparing that's where we are now. I don't think that's fair. I think this what we are now in my head, right? Like I see the passion from even creators from people who are who folks have been exported out of the continent to the diaspora in different places. And you see the exodus now people wanting to go back. Yeah, we're just at that pinnacle start. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're you're 30 to year 100 for these countries is what's pivotal having the youth that are going like the folks who are in Canada right now all the Nigerians in Canada. I wonder what it will look like when they're older and their kids are now saying we want to go back home or they're even saying we don't want we want going all the money. Let's go back home and let's fix it up, right? I don't know if that's even going to happen. But I'm like we tend we're doing all these things right. Even America used to export their folks to travel out to come back or Oman you know how many Omani students are in universities in America right now. We're all studying and then the moment they're done they go back and they go back home. However that's also from the government right because the Omani government is literally saying we're going to but get you to these places you're going to study and you're going to go back and you're going to pour into the countries. I wish I could because like you y'all see the news in America where they're like oh this is the smartest person and the name is and it's like an African name or so the black person like Amanda Gorman the black poet like Laura right. Like having her go back and create a school somewhere where it's about like art and the time is coming. The time is coming. I don't want us to feel defeated by it because the time is coming. I'm so passionate about that. I think we just we tend to be in the cycle of complaining because we I live in New York and I'm like I see what New York is but New York 50 years ago wasn't even this right like give us time to grow and hopefully as we're growing now we're also realizing that we need to not allow the world constantly take from us. We need to still reserve ourselves because the time will come when Africa is ready to take over and the world wouldn't be ready because when zombies come they're going to the West Coast because all the movies have seen what just says that. I don't know. Because education is so important. It is. It is really it is really important. It's like when we were at the what's called the master car foundation. Yes. That's true. Yeah. You educate women from like primary school to secondary school. You educate 50% from 4,400 women having age every day to 2,200. Yeah. These education all the things you're talking about. Education. The investment of money right. Aside from the like the Africans who understand the hurt. What do you think that's where destiny December comes in now because like the money that's going in there it's going to clubs to continue to put money to their black Americans in America who are magnets. We have money resources. They understand business. They're educated. Well why should they put their money in Africa? Why? Why? Because the returns the potential. Who's going to tell them where the potential is. That's why that's why the education comes. This is what I'm saying. But who who who's going to what? Why does them cook? Why does them cook get to benefits from Congo, right? It was no black American. Exactly. But what do you think? I think it's all about timing and it's all about conversations. I know like I don't know if by the time it comes out it's been announced already but I know this conversation is not with like Steve Harvey to create something in Africa like there's an ACON Chris Brown like all these people are coming in. Chris Brown is on the bus example of that. I think it's a perspective shift and like it there will come a time right when we will feel connected and honestly there will come a time when we will feel farther apart from each other and I think that's okay. I think it's slow. It's slow and it makes sense because what's been put in our heads for years has been your in competition this person versus this person and an American system itself is so complex that to to pick someone who was one and raised in LA and tell the person to the black person that oh you really should go to the Niger because that's where your ancestors are formed feels far fetched like because that's also telling someone to start over when as an international student when you're like this is an example for me personally think about it even you don't know like if someone tells you go to Canada because America has been working out for you to get a visa or your green card you have to start over in Canada that alone is overwhelming because you just want to stay in what you know right so we as Africans tend to have this very very audacious arrogant way of saying you should come back home because this is where you started from we don't give empathy to the fact that that is the scariest thing to do is to look and say I don't belong somewhere and I need to find where I belong and there's no space to figure that out like when I'm giving resources to figure that out you're just telling folks to just come back that's what she talks about when she's saying like there's no infrastructure there probably wasn't worth it right probably didn't say right probably she didn't be I think I love it not way but yeah it's like but like folks are interested and it's like going to be a long process to get there but I think there is huge opportunity for one of the time comes and it is getting better right because when you look at 2016 to now there were a lot more conversations happening right about it a lot more people in 2019 don't even want to know what those numbers look like right now so like things are better yeah also the economy in those countries are also worse yeah but one thing I know it's like that time's coming for great time I'm telling I'm like maybe I just feel overly encouraged overly excited but in 2050 I feel like I see a different Nigeria I see a different Ghana it just has to happen the minds if they wasn't that the minds coming out of the continent are absolutely incredible insane and the older people who are in power will die at some point and once they die hopefully the folks who are left actually realize this time for radical change and it's going to happen and I can't wait for that I wonder what a December will look like in 10 years in 20 years like when we see folks Gen Z and Gen Alpha here talking about going back home learning the language like there are apps now teaching folks evil and Yoruba and Tui like Africa is becoming modern and hopefully and thankfully not Western but modern right and there's still this idea of protecting what that culture is I'm excited for it there's some sorts of people who are interested in still modernizing whatever it is exporting out of the continent and that's okay like we're going to get there give us a year under it after becoming more than always yeah all right y'all thank you so much for watching I think that's the end of it if you're going to be going to December this year enjoy Ghana enjoy Niger enjoy Senegal Sierra Leone enjoy Namibia South Africa all of the places you might be going to if you enjoy this episode don't forget to like comment and subscribe and also just thank you for listening this is a really interesting episode I think it went all over the place but I think if you listen to my too loud we tend to go all over the place a lot here I love you so so much and I will see you in my next episode bye guys