What it takes to be your Best Self w/ DreaKnowsBest | AITL S2 EP 46

Putfam makes some freaking noise for Andrea O.K.K. A.K.A. Andrea knows best guys. What is your response to people who always talk about like the exaggerated African accent or Nigerian accents? People don't realize I grew up in Belgium, New York, Nigeria, Auguste, Maryland, I went back at the NYSE in Marrabach. When I think about my Nigerian accent, it comes from a combination of my accents all merged together. Most of the top white creators, they often have different opportunities. Has that ever been a factor in your growth? Because sit down, I wait for opportunity to come for you or you can go out and get it. And I'm a go-getter. Yeah, you are. I'm a good dad. What is one money or business L like you took early? That still shapes you. I paid $20,000 to create an Amazon store and I lost $20,000. How do I say it? Shots, man. Oh, good. Today's generation, everyone's telling you, quit that job, girl. Follow that passion. No. No. The author be smart and strategic. Yeah. Best advice or worst advice? Posting every single day into my Taiwan's. Worst advice. People swap her from as well, kill everything else. Yes. Stick to one platform until you blow, then expand. Heck, no. Put that thing everywhere. Never share your rates with other creators. Always share your rates. Stick with what people expect from you. Don't confuse your audience. Confuse them. Confuse them. Confuse them. Welcome to Amai Tu Loud, the podcast. All right, guys. Let's see. I would say, being the best is never about luck. It's about strategy, intentionality. It's about audacity, obsession, sacrifice, and more. Welcome back to Amai Tu Loud, the podcast with Sophie, aka the mother-fricking auditing. Guys, I have one of the most special people in the entire world with me on this episode. And actually, if you guys are caught up, I'm not sure when her episode is about to go live, but I wouldn't like to just give her some props right now, because you probably can see on screen already. She is genuinely the nicest person I've ever met. I think I'm nice. I think I'm really nice. And people make me feel like an idiot for being nice. I feel like Drea is a different type of nice. I guess like, she's not thinking about being nice. She's just thinking about being, right? And people like that are so special. So I want to give you your flowers first, because like, Drea is one of the reasons why like me and Donald will work together. And I think vice versa. You're just, you're a really nice person. And I think it's so hard to find someone in the industry who is nice, but I wanted to let you know that like, niceness in the artistry is so rare, but like never let anyone take your light. So what goes in the fricking podcast, Drea knows that that was such a nice intro. I love it. Oh my God. Words of affirmation is my love, like we're so I'm just like, yeah, I'm important to you this entire episode. I'm going to love this. Just keep going. No, like you like, Drea, you randomly would text us to check in. If I need anything, I know I can reach out to you and I know I don't need to call you 24 times a day, but I know that like you're just a person who's like, if you can do it, you're going to do it. Oh yeah. And you're not. You're not being showing big guy. I don't want to explain it. Cause it feeds me. Yeah. I love helping people. No, you really are a gem. I think Neoma did a video of your friends celebrating, celebrating your favorite day with a book of 30 things that they love about you. Oh my gosh. I crashed out. I knew you crashed out for that. And I saw that I was like of all the people who this would mean a lot to it's you. Like if you guys don't know Drea, you think you've probably seen her content or like online. She's funny. She's inspiring. But like you remind me so much of me. And I feel like a kind and a kind of spirit almost when I look about you. Cause I'm like, okay, if Drea can do this by being herself and succeed, I'm okay. Like I can do it too. I can stay myself and be who I am without anyone changing who I am. So. Welcome to the podcast. I am so pleasure to be here. I'm so happy to be here while season is is in three season two, two, two, two, I was so 40 something. That's crazy. That's crazy. Remember that. Like who? Come on. No, but this like like to keep doing something like to start it. Okay. You started it. But you you kept on doing it. You're still doing still going. And it's going well. And I'm like. Fuck yes. You know? Yes. I'm so excited. Okay. So I'm like, I'm going to do crochet some braids in there. So I just wake shake and you're good. You wake and say, uh huh. Period. I'm going to get started with my intro for you. But first let me connect to Wi-Fi because why is that one's an intro? Oh, no, baby. That was just that was my that was like my intro as like Sophie, but no, I was like. The audience is about to introduce to the podcast. So all right. I'm sad. That was a soft soft soft soft intro. Soft intro. Why is this wife of a hand? There we go. The Wi-Fi is connected. Now. Okay. So guys. Today on a my too loud. We have a woman who did not call herself dry nose breast for vibes. She has the resume to back it up. She's a Nigerian American content creator speaker and host known for her hilarious skits African mom chaos and videos that amplify the first generation African experience while teaching the world Nigerian culture slang and food. She started out as an engineer making six second comedy videos on Vine builds an audience of around 700,000 then and then lost it all overnight on the platform shut down. Who? And she still came back harder on TikTok and beyond. Now she's sitting on millions of followers, street interviews, characters and culturally infused skits that have put her on the global stage. She's a two times Forbes top creator. It forms 30 under 30 on her free and the only creator of Nigerian descent on that top creator's list, which we love for her and also everybody else needs to catch up. Okay. She's also a business woman founder of Sabi Slangs, the card game born from her viral Nigerian slang series. I'm sticking her from Japan to Brazil to the Oscars, the BET red carpet, teaching people how to talk like us. Today we're talking about it and actually what's talking about what it actually takes to be the best, the discipline, the delusion, the elves, the engineering brain, the immigrant pressure, all of it. Podfam makes some freaking noise for Andrea O. KKK, Andrea knows best and I'm like too loud the podcast. And you can see my face right now, I'm like, wow, what an intro. What a journey. Did I do justice? I didn't want to justice. I was very nervous. I was like, and I'm like, wait, did I do that? Is that me? Andrea, it is like your, okay, let me say this, okay, because I might too loud if I say that there's certain creators who you just sort of see as talented and like super incredible and amazing, but you never really get to sit and talk with them. And I think it's a pleasure for me and an honor for me to actually sit down and pick your brain because they don't know that when we've had these sit down conversations, I think we had like this time when I came to LA with Taya, I know Neoma and Donald and we sat and we had such intense conversations about the pressure of being just a creator and being human, being a woman, and you do the series with Donald. And when he was interviewing you, it was so emotional for me to see you, because I see you as Dre like the Joker, like you're always laughing, you're on your upbeat. And then like, when I started getting to know you, I would hang out, I was like, she's deeper than that. And it's, it oftentimes feels like fame has to come at a cost of your well-being. And I feel like you've sort of like done this work, hopefully, of like balancing that and the way that works best for you. So I can't wait to talk about what it means to be the best, because your name again, Dre, I know it's best. It's just like, how did you even come up with that? So back in the day, and I don't know if he's canceled now, but it's wrestler, Hulk and Hulk. The wrestler, Hulk and Hulk had a family show about like, Hulk and those best, and I was named the show. So I needed to come up with an Instagram name, so I'm like, okay, instead of Hulk and those best is Dre and those best. So I took that and turns out, I didn't know what I knew best about. I was like, what, 20, like young 20s or maybe eights, 19 then when I first started creating. And I'm just to create content and turns out, I think now and it's like, the name actually does live. You know, best about, I think just being yourself, as dumb, as a cliche, that sounds, it's like, that's one thing I knew for my, having a platform like, it's hard to show up as someone that's, that's not yourself, like people that go online and want to persuade that, portray that they're super rich, even if you don't have money in bank account, it's going to be hard for you to keep on portraying you as super rich, right? And even for me, like, if I keep trying to portray a different image than myself, it's going to be hard to keep up with that facade. So all I know is how it does to be Dre, I show up goofy, show up, you know, with my culture, show up and, you know, even that serious side too, I also wanted to keep showing that serious side of myself online too as well. And that's where I think I showed out more when I do like public speaking events and then I'd be on stage. It's like, that's where you see the, the brands and the serious side because there's multiple layers, everyone has layers of itself and they shouldn't have to hide it or fit into staying one box to show up online to be successful, you know, so like 18, you're an Nigerian, first of all, how did you convince your parents that you want to do social media? How did you even, because I feel like I think, I don't know if this is true or not, you come from a, I don't want to say strict background, but I feel like you come from a really Nigerian culture, heavy background and you're an evil woman too. So for how, yeah, how has that even like a thought in your mind, then is it from where you grew up, like around the area, was it just something that you just always liked entertaining? What was that for you? So when, when I was in college, I was doing engineering and I needed something to like a break from all the hardware, right? I just love it. And don't show engineering. Put it things like this, the only thing I'll say, I actually chose engineering myself because from a young age, I like putting things together, I like problems and then solving it. So that's why I chose it. But then when Vine came around, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm funny, I'm making skits, like people are liking it. And all my friends were moving to LA during the Vine season, like it was like 20, 2015, we were moving to LA, we had like Vine meetups, where the Vine stars would meet up and like meet all our fans and stuff like that. So I'm like, yo, yeah, I'm moving to LA, I can't jump, I'm moving to LA, because my parents would not let me do that. I have to finish school. So what I did is I got a job that was like an hour outside of LA, working as an industrial engineer at Lowe's. I would work at Lowe's during the week and on the weekend, I'll come to LA, driving my niece on over here and do collaborations, go to hosting classes, acting classes, and I was doing both. So I remember like even before I graduated college, I was like, I was praying to God, I was like, God, I don't want to, I don't want to give up one thing and I remember one of my friends, Rashad, even some of my other girls from Penn State, she was like, girl, you don't have to do one, like you could do both. So I didn't have to convince my parents, I wanted to do social media, I was like, they look convincing, they have to do both. Until I got the money, girl, until they chain the anger, the money came in, I said, okay, yeah, my daughter, the contact creator, so then it was always like, engineer, my daughter the engineer, my daughter the engineer, they didn't want to accept it, you know, no, I think for me is the same, I don't think my mom even accepts it now, do they accept it now? She does, my mom is even on her career. Oh, yeah, that's your way, yo, she be creative, yeah, she be creative, she be creative content, but what's that, hey, what's up, she'd be like, I'm, she went on the cruise recently, a cruise, the first day on the cruise, she literally made a vlog of like her on the boat, I sit in water, they're partying the back, she had a glass of champagne, she's like, drinking my champagne on the cruise, I feel like we're going to do on your FYP, we're going to talk about the African auntie London, because I've been clowning my mom like, look at your mates, look at your mates, they're doing vlogs, they're becoming DJs, I make money, I make money, I make money, I make him, what is my own money? So, no, no, I love, I love that, I feel like as an African child growing up, there's certain things that I've been instilled in us that we can't necessarily do, but I love that like, you're one of the women now who's like, you're doing your own thing and you're killing and you're so successful, but one thing I want to say is during your very quietly successful, is that intentional, or do you just think that, what is quietly successful, you're not flashy, you're not loud, and I mean loud, not in the sense of like voice loud, but more of like, you're trying to tell the world what you've done, you don't celebrate your accolades loudly, it's more of a quiet thing, is that an intentional thing, is that like, from like, oh, my village people should know, come, I see what I'm doing here, like, what does that come from? I let my my success, it's my work speak for itself. If you dig into my page, if you watch myself, if you know, then you see, okay, she's someone who has been one of the biggest publications in the world, Forbes has listed up as top 50 creators in the world, right? Like, you see my Nissan collaboration, you see like, my work, I let my work speak for itself, because you can talk to talk to me, you can't back it up, right? And also, I come from parents who are very humble, my parents are very, very successful, my mom, she's an ambassador, an ambassador in Nigeria, an ambassador to Austria and Slovakia, two countries in one term, right? My dad is really big in politics, back home in Nigeria, but they don't lead with that, they lead with like, how they can impact people, and that's why I'm very impact driven. The only time I'll ever say I've done like, something massive and really, really big to show people is what I did, like, back home in Nigeria, in a Maraba, it's like outside of Abuja, I did my NYC there, and I'm like, it's Daniel, that's what I've heard that from. Oh, no, no, no, hey, that's my favorite artist, actually, Kings Daniel. So I do my NYC there as a teacher, and I went back there to like, support the school and do them a big Christmas party, because it's like a, it's a very poor community, so I was like, okay, if I'm gonna do something to show that I have money, it's not for it, it's just show I have money, it's more to like, how can I use my money to help other people? So that's the only time I ever did something really, really big, I do the big Christmas party, Baustik Kausul, Fadakrismas, and Extended Klaus, Fadakrismas, you know, based painting, all those things, and it was like, yeah, philanthropy is very important to me, I'm gonna get back to these kids, because they need it more, so I don't know, I'm not really a flashy person, but it's a way to show my flashiness, it was like, if I'm gonna help someone, like, do a scholarship or something like that, that's the way I'm telling you, she's the coolest person on earth. So I'm really like, oh yeah, I'm really not like a lot, but if I'm going to be loud, it's like, I'm gonna give back like that, like, I'm telling you, not a lot of people are age, think like that, especially when they come into the amount of money that we come into, right? Because like, being a creator is like, very lucrative for a lot of creators, and like, when you hit that money, you never know what to do with it, and you don't know how to invest in it properly, like, make sure you're doing care of it. So even with you now, I can just tell that like, you're very intentional about your work ethic and about who you are as a person, so I want to give you props for that. Thank you. So this is just like the scratch in the surface, honestly, of Drea's journey, but I wanted to start with a segment that we're calling. This came up on my FIP, where I share fun things that come up on my FIP about you, actually. So I sent you a message that I told you. Oh, interesting to give me stuff from your FIP, but also gonna pick out tweets or messages or videos that you've ever done, and we're gonna react to it too. Oh, wow. Okay, okay. I love that. Every time I said that, everyone is like, oh, okay, so you should have someone your phone, right? Yeah. So we're just gonna take turns, and you're gonna show me what's on your, the videos you sent to me can just click on it. Okay, yeah, perfect. So the first one I'm gonna jump into, because you kind of like hinted at it, was the bus auntie. Yeah. So this is the auntie that is like from the UK, and she literally went viral because she made a video of herself standing on the sidewalk, but it looks like she's on the street, and the bus is about to turn and hit her. Yeah, but she's just like, I love, I love red buses, double decked up buses. In the UK, so I'm gonna show it off, and now she's blowing up so much. And it just makes me so happy because I'm like, I don't know, like I love seeing people get opportunities that you wouldn't think like she's an older eight lady. Yeah, like, like I said, like, all right, what's this doing that she ain't that tiktok to on makes me do it because even like math or somebody's other cosmetics are now using her for like promotions. She was at London Fashion Week. I was like, she was at London Fashion Week, like she was front row at Burberry. Like and coach, like they've actually like she's becoming a star in her own, right? And she's not changing her accent, not changing how she dresses. No, she's simply, she's everyone's African auntie. Like, when I see her, I'm like, I have an auntie like that. Oh, I know. An auntie that's exactly like that. And for me, it's so special because age is such a number for a lot of us. Like we think life has ended when you get to a certain age. And like, even something, I feel like I'm gonna get DPA book. Let's get it. I love my deep bubbles, girl. I just was I was watching her and I'm like, so important barriers by public transportation. Right. So important bars of public administration. So when people see the immigrant story of coming to a different country, some of our own of our moms are aunties going to these countries. And they have to, they come from Africa where they are going with drivers and they have maids and they're living so lavishly off life. So then going to this like space where like you're actually having to be a nurse or be so like be down as a less citizen in a way. And then you have this auntie who you don't know her story. You just want that as a child like excitement that comes with her like in the new beginning that she has. Every time I sell these videos, I'm like, this is bullshit. I don't know. He's this woman. And for a lot of creators too, when you watch videos like that, I don't think she probably even deep the fact that like the fact that the bus is so big, it looks like it's about to hit her is a way for people to actually even stay tuned to the video to see. It's a hook. It's a hook that she probably didn't even know. So imagine her as a young person. If she was even she had grown up in our time, how easy it would have been for her to get success. But she's thought to herself, I'm gonna stoop post this and not change anything about me. Her kids aren't so much saying they want to take over her account. I don't know when she has kids, but like it just feels very like, oh, she's making it in her own way. And I like to literally tell my mom that her generation was raised to become Westernized to succeed. And then there's a woman like this who's making sure that like she's just herself. Like she has a scarf. She has an African print. And we all know auntie's like that who well these fancy colored prints. I know dress, I want to dress. I nobody because they look so fly. Like I feel like they're so fly. They're big shit, but they're big. Even if she's blown off, she's still being herself. She had this decoration. Like it's not, but it's still dressed up in her modest style. And her back kind of thing like, you know, just being who you are and just loving. Like I like I love what you said about the whole like the the bust story of like you know, because honestly, most people where you live in Africa, you have that flashy life and you America will humble you. It will. Humble you. Oh my gosh. You know, but if I had to see someone like her blow up and brands point into her and taking our rigs to like support sponsor her from her just doing what she normally does in daily basis before she catches the bus. Exactly. It's cool. It's really cool. Yeah. Okay. So I have my video up. I couldn't find that recording. How's it going? Your page where I found it. And it's teaching Nigerian people slangs in Korea. Ah. And it's teaching people Nigerian slangs in Korea. Oh yeah. Let's go. Ajay Bota. Ajay Buro. Okay. Ajay Bodo. Noahala. Noahala. Omali Cha. Omali Cha. Okay. I'm listening. I'm going on. What's in the happen? What's in the happen? Yo, I beg you. I beg you. Yeah. I think I'm in Nigeria. I know Korea right now. It's crazy. I think it's one of your favorite things that you do online. We just teaching people Nigerian slangs. How did you come up with that from the get go? Oh, okay. I'll tell you how it came up with that. And I want to say something about that video. Korea, right? In Korea, be a very, Koreans are very more, a lot more shy reserved and very respectful, right? So when I wanted to do teaching people Nigerian slangs in Korea, it was kind of like even the person that helped me do the videos. He was like, Drea, I don't know if you're going to get this video done because they're all very shined. They don't really have, I was like, don't worry. I'll bring out that personality, you know? And when we started doing it, he was like, oh my god, Drea, you're so good at this. Because even like the little young girls that were there were a little shot, somebody did it. And then I started laughing and then they got comfortable. And I was like, yeah, that's the power of joy, man. That's power of joy. And the biggest thing too was like, I was like, I want to get an elder. And most of the elders you pass by at, you know, stop them at first, they're like, ah, no, they keep walking. You know, kind of like that. I forgot. I forgot. I beg your kind of thing, you know? But I was like, no, we're going to get one, we're going to get one. That's that mindset, positive mindset. Like we're going to get one. And finally, that one lady that we got, you know, she was so joyful doing that. She was asked me, what's your page? And like, I was like, my, the guy that helped me record his career and he was like, I can't believe we got an auntie to do that. Like they don't, adults don't talk to the kids. They don't associate like the same thing kind of, you know, all those cultures. Why am I talking to them? You know, L that's a person. So I was very proud of that video. I'm like, damn, I did that. And they came out really good too. I feel like people who were listening to this don't know somehow exhausting, terrifying, scary it is to approach people on the streets. And in different countries, even worse, like, and I remember, I feel like I know, like if I'm in New York, I'm like, okay, Washington Square Park, people actually even go around to wait to see like, I love mental. New Yorkers have the personality. They're wild. New Yorkers are crazy. I mean, for my cute, yeah, to help you report your mind on the street. Yeah. Other countries is so terrifying. So like, just giving you props too, because like it's insane that you get to do that on positivity. Now, I will say I have a question for you. Okay. I don't know how you're going to take this boy. I have to ask people people are there. What is your response? People who always talk about like the exaggerated African accent and Nigerian accents. Oh, this is great. Always talking about it. I have my take. Okay. I want to say I want to hear what you say first. All right. Let's keep my take my take. I think just like the same way how you're in America, and you're from New York, that's the different type of New York accent. This time Maryland accents. Even if you're American, I grew up with immigrant parents, you have a different accent. My Nigerian accent, which people don't realize because there's even people I've talked about that like, oh, she does exaggerating. They know what highlight. First of all, when you're teaching someone something, you have to enunciate so they can understand what you're saying. You're going to break it down like know what highlight. Right. So that's why there's a little bit of exaggeration. But also naturally, my accent comes from I grew up in Belgium. I grew up in New York. I grew up in Nigeria, Oakland States, where I was in boarding school. Yeah. I grew up in Maryland. I went back at the NYSE in Marraba. So I grew up all over the round. So my accent is all over. Think about my Nigerian accent. It comes from a combination of my accents all merged together. So I don't think you can really adjust someone. It doesn't exaggeration accents, but she's like first generation Americans. Our accents a lot come from what we hear our parents talking our parents accent at Nigerian accents, but also merged with them trying to fix the American accents. So it's like all over the place. So I don't think it's actually like when you think about like a Nigerian accent itself. Yeah. I don't think there's a specific like this is a Nigerian accent because even in Nigeria itself, you have people. I've been had more repugien. So what are you pushing? I got one. I said I won. That one is another type of pigeon. You know, so even Nigerian accents, then there's your accent, then there's, you know, I was talking accents of facets of new specimens on this or in that way too. Yeah. So I feel like instead of focusing about what the accent is, I think at least for me, I'm just happy. I'm spreading my culture with the world and then people laughing and laughing, not at it, but with it. You know, I love that. So that's my take on accents. Okay. I'm going to say my take on it, which is people need to understand comedic relief and also people having fun and excitement. So every time I see your video, I'm going to switch you to say, no, I would never expect you to teach someone a slang word by saying, no, I'll okay now. So like I would never expect you to speak like life, I'm never going to teach someone something. I would speak in a way to enunciate what they're saying. And especially with your content, I say this all the time, like do we use like teach the slangs? You're literally teaching them in like the phonetic way all the time. That's one thing, like I've noticed about your content. And when you're interviewing folks, you've done a bunch of interviews. I was just so successful. And you've done a lot of interviews. And when you're speaking, you're not speaking in the exaggerated hyperbole of the accent. You're speaking normally, a normal conversation. And I think we tend to police ourselves so much rather than enjoy the actual content is coming out. And why I wanted to even ask you this question because I have another creator, Marvela, who gets this all the time. Yeah, I know. Marvela was born in Nigeria and now lives in America. She's only been in America for a few years. And they are still constantly policing her accent. And saying her accent, mind you, the accent coming out of her mouth is not the real one. And if also feels like we're trying to, like they want to be real, else it feels like we try to, like they want to be a police accent too. It's crazy. My YouTube girl, we about to find a club. So I wanted to point that out because videos like that are important because if you ever see anyone who's career and teaching career and like they're going to speak phonetically, it's just like that. So end of story in that one. Do you have any FYP else thing to point out? I feel like Sora. So like AI videos have been popping up a lot on my FYB. Oh my God. I really, let me see if I can find one in particular. Those one, because I actually do play around with, I'm a fan of AI. Yeah. I'm playing around with it. But I always see a lot of like two-pog videos. There was one like Martin Luther King on the street. Some guy that they pretend like he looked like Martin Luther King, but he wasn't. But I'm like, wait, what? It's very creepy. But it is the AI musician too. I forgot her name. I think I sent that to you. The black girl. Um, the one that's like, yes. Yes. Who got like a multi-million dollar deal. Yeah. How do you feel about that? So let me turn the question into my podcast. I have an interesting relationship with AI. Okay. Because I think it's inevitable. Right. And I think when humans try to police something, you're only going to get more of it. So Sora is a thing because people want Sora to happen and people enjoy the aspect of it. And even the AI artist, AI musician, they're all going to be a thing. I think what people are forgetting is that the new currency is going to be authenticity and making mistakes. I think we went through an era in the world, especially with social media where we all try to be perfect. The perfect camera, the perfect HD quality, the perfect look, everything like that. And so you have an artist like that who seems perfect on paper. And audio is great. All that thing is great. But then in the long run, people wants the human connection. Like human currency, human connection is going to be the new currency in a way. So it's, of course, we need to have, laws in place to protect actual artists from the art and of being stolen. Of course, like we need to, well, no, we're doing that enough with social media. And it's not to think of even starting that with AI. But at the end of the day, I think we should focus more on how we continue to show up as our authentic selves. Like I can't imagine an AI person doing, teaching people Nigerian slangs, right? And if I do imagine the video like that coming out, it would never be like the way we just saw the auntie hesitate or the kids do the like, rock purposes or shoot. That's the human part that we would never like, yeah, no, no AI kind of writes that good. No, you know, I mean, like no, no one can write human interaction that well. So I think that's where people will start looking for more. And I also think it helps us start looking ourselves and saying, what can we start looking at as real or not? Like I don't think we have a lot of questions, a lot of the videos. Actually, actually, I really see watched a YouTube video that was an AI. It was a, it was a lady's AI clone or avatar who made a YouTube video teaching me about how to do. Was it some recommendations on like books or something? I don't know where it was. Anyways, but it was literally an AI video because I didn't notice it was an AI because she had a lot of overlay of videos. So her avatar will pop up every now and a little bit. But because she was teaching me something, I didn't really need it to have that human connection. I was just like learning from her. But I think with AI in general, like why I love it is because, especially as a creative, it's going to be a tool for us to use to advance ourselves, right? Like even from like organization or idea generation or, or like whatever it is calendar, I don't know. You know, AI is going to be something that's a tool. That's how I'm like, that's not I don't, I don't recommend anyone running from it. It's kind of like when the internet was coming around, everybody was running from it. And then the ones, the ones who were the earlier adopters, and that's one thing I'll say for my career, I'm always trying to be an early adopter of everything, like by when I came around. No one was really on it, but I got on the early TikTok when it came around. Everyone was laughing at it. This is a dancing app stupid. I got on the early and I succeeded. So even me, the state of mind I am now is like, how can I use AI as a tool to advance myself creatively? You know, without, of course, because no one can ever say that human connection, but you know, I feel like also with AI, I think we also forget that with social media, everybody has phones too, right? So the same way everybody has phones that run AI. People, they're certain people in the world who will use their phones for good, like they only pick up their phones to set the reminders to do calendar alerts. I will use their phones to doom scroll and they never come out of their phone. It teaches human beings discipline in a way they were not thinking of too unwracking because like with me now, I've caught myself like if I have an idea or thought before I asked chatty, chatty bt for actually, I write my thoughts down and then I feed it into her. Yeah. That's a more successful way of keeping your thoughts in there, but I'm saying generate something from me from scratch, because I usually, whenever you say chatty dick or generate something, you're usually like, this isn't right. And then you have to tweak. But I'm learning that if I put my idea in, then help and get the support. It then also always comes out better, which I really love. And even for like people in countries like, for example, like Nigeria, where things are a lot more expensive to do, like you want to become a editor or creator, like you can learn certain things for free using these free AI tools to advance yourself so much more further than you ever would because you need to pay thousands of dollars per certain software to cost to learn something. It's going, yeah, I teach me this. Like, you know, if you have a partner for school, yeah, yeah, chatty bt to chat with the abilities too. Like the amount, the amount is like we forget that able bodied humans aren't the only ones to exist, right? Like there's so many things that he has been able to help folks who are blind who are deaf, who are able to communicate in ways. Now they have like, in some ways, some level of equity on the plain field to actually get invested in creating stuff too, which I really like too. So I'm throwing that out there for you guys if you're running away from AI. Okay, so now I'm going to show you my last video of you, which is one of my favorite ones. Oh my god, there's more. Whoa. Let me see this, Mike. So he wants to bring it to my kitchen. Oh, yeah. Come on. Stop talking. I'm like, that's now like this. He's so funny. So it was so funny. No, you're so talented. So I saw that video too and I was like, this is the most Nigerian American video in I've ever seen and I'll tell you why. Why? Because first of all, Michael Myers is such an American thing. Yeah. He's like horror in that genre is such an American thing. And then to see a Nigerian auntie in quotes with the head, what do you got? And you know, cut it on you. I was like, everything you say is so relatable and so funny. And it merges your world together in a way that I don't even, I don't know if you know you're doing it. But it's like a joke that everybody can understand. And you're also introducing the chaos of what being Nigerian also is because you're right. If I go into the kitchen, I have my, if I have a knife and I was like, what are you going to run around with that stuff in there? Go on, press it down immediately. If you want yourself now, bitch, your was your problem. You hear that so many times. So see here, you say that's a freaking song. Even the stuff crying out again, something to cry about. We hear that all the time. And then shameless plug. You have most of these slangs on your stabby slang, which is a card case, which is so, so, so good. And like, so how did you, first of all, think about skits? How do you think about skits like that? And how did you also want to do stabby slangs? But mom would do the character. She came about off just me impersonating my Nigerian mom. And that was something that would work. So the first video I ever had that went by was me doing a Nigerian mom skits and those from the comment section alone, people were like, Oh, I'm so relatable. My Asian mom does this too. My Arab mom is so similar. I was like, wait a minute. This is different cultures connecting over my culture. And again, like, I tell you, what's I always think about with content? What's simple to replicate? Like, I'm not going to sit down. I crack my brain to do something that I can't replicate. Like, for example, when I first started making videos, what also kind of went viral once was like a prank video of me arguing with my fake boyfriend and public. And that was me embarrassing myself. But do I actually want to go every day in public and do something embarrassing that do doesn't seem to have views. No, but what I knew I could keep on doing was African mom experiences because I got my African mom that raised me. And I'm like, Oh my God, there's so many scenarios I could do with there. So mom, it came about and even more to make it more spicy. Mom, it was more, like, my mom, if you mean my mother, she's very sweet. Vivian is a nice kind. Very nice. That's what I'm asking. Nice kind. She soft, but I have aunties who are very like feisty, witty and like, can I, you know, can be can all fend you can read you. So you shake it. Exactly. So I channeled that and and people love Mama D when she's so petty, like, copy back. I'm telling you African women are the pennies. When they want to show you, they're like, they're born and they're like, right. No, it's not to be petty. I don't show you that. They went because the kind of LGBT promise on that self. Um, so people just loved how rude she was Mama D. So I added that like element of like, she's an African auntie. Yeah. But she African auntie that will show you Peppa. And for some reason, the, the world really loved it. Like, even when I started, I created it on her own at Mama D account, which is now in the Sabi slang account. And that grew to like 30K in like two, three weeks. It grew when I started posting her videos. And short form was always a sweet, sweet spot. So that's what I think about when I talk, think about skits. I'm like, okay, well, for my childhood is relatable. Okay. Um, when will you marry? Okay, you kind of, you don't have good grades or those kind of different scenarios that came relatable for animation Americans. And then Sabi slangs came about because I had the viral slang series. So I'm like, okay, people love me when I'm teaching Nigerian slangs. And I've done it all over the world, you know, Mexico, uh, uh, Korea, uh, Japan. So how can I merge those two worlds if I want to create a product, you know, long term, because I can keep on creating skits. I can keep on traveling around the world and teaching slangs, but who's funding this? So I was like, all right, let's create a game that has the pettiness of Mama D in it and also has the learning elements of slang. People can learn the Nigerian slangs in there too. And I also put American slangs in the Sabi slangs game because it's like, I'm Nigerian American, that's my experience. Yeah. So the game is pretty much that this pettiness acted out, dance challenges, phone challenges, dare challenges, all those, my favorite games in one with the slang elements in there. So that's how it came about. We do a giveaway for one person who was watching. Yes. Yes. Okay. Guys, I'll buy a Sabi slang and I'll give it away to one of you guys. No, I'll give you one. Let me give it. No, no, no, no. So give you really support it. I let's give it to you. Be cool. We'll talk about it. Hey, yeah, we'll talk about it later. So, okay, I love that that was what was on our FYP's guys. If you want to get into the segment of this came up with my FYP, actually send me anything at mytulow.com or just tag me in some of the world of things you've seen. Tag the podcast page and use the hashtag this came up with my FYP so I can see it and I can react to it. So you can just go to any like if you see a video on like online, just tag the audities, tag mytulow and put the hashtag in your comment. So I can get that notification and then I can see what you're talking about. And I might react to it too. Okay. On that note, we're going to start talking and bring Dreia into the loud guest seats. And the loud guest seats is where we're just going to get loud. We're going to get honest. We're going to get real about we're ready. I feel like we're ready to say hinting at conversations, but we can even get a little bit more deeper. Wow. So what was the first time that you just clocked at like, oh wait, like I'm not just funny. You actually built to be one of the best actors. Whoa, that is a crazy question. Wow. I'm not just funny. I'm built to be the best of this. I think I love my friends so much. Yeah, I think I think this is not really a it's no such thing as to get answer anyways, but it's more of just seeing people doing it right because because when I was you know, on on Vine and like I was seeing like people that were in my group chats like Liza Koshy, Lele Ponds, David Dobrik, we're all in the same group chats together. Like just talking about content together and they were starting to blow up and but they were doing it full time. Yeah. And I was still doing engineering and social media, but I was like, they're talented. You know, they're very talented, but I'm also very talented too. So how are they going to be making so much money from this and blowing up and I won't, I'm not missing my trainer that one. So I think that was the moment when I seen other people do it. That's why it's so important to have like role models of people you look up to because when you see that as possible and you really look at yourself like you were just as talented as I said, I'm just as talented. I'm just I'm the best right? That's how athletes take like LeBron James. I'm the best at it. So my story would not be different. So I was like definitely the moment of like seeing other people do it. I'm like they don't have two heads. They love it to that mean. Okay, then because I feel like you being injured in America. Okay, I get excited for my questions. So I'm of an Nigerian background in terms of like I was born in Nigeria and I came here. And one of the struggles I get as a creator is understanding that as a black person in America, I am already at a loss in a way, right? Compared to like my white counterparts. It's of course like if I keep going and I can always make it work. But like there's always a support of me that understands that I am black. And so my experience is going to be different. So as you were talking now, you mentioned those creators. I'm like, Oh, like they're black and white and brown creators. It was Liza and Lily saying and Lily points like Lily, Lily is Mexican or Hispanic. Yeah. Either way, like why no, most of the top white creators, they often have different opportunities. Has that ever been a factor in your growth at any point of your have you've been in spaces where you felt like you couldn't get past this cap because you're a black or if you just always been like, fuck everybody, I'm going to do me. Okay. Honestly, I don't know. I don't know if it's the way I was raised. But there's so much power. And again, going back to like because I'm Nigerian and my family, like as an OKK, like the way my father raised me is like to know that you are an OKK. You are, you are greats. You are, you are, you are like he would like my heights. I'm six feet one and a half. And it's like he will look even like my, my tall princess like, you're so tall and beautiful. So never don't hunt your back. Stand up strong. So I don't know when I walk into those rooms. And I know it's always a conversation. Yes, about like, oh, you know, as a black creator or as a person of color, we do get less. But I think I was a little bit delusional or maybe oblivious to it. Where like, I remember there was a person who wanted to manage me at some point. Like I was looking for a manager. And then he's like, you know, your name, you know, maybe at some point you change your name to Draya Okiki because OKK, you know, Okiki sounds more like luxurious. And, and I'm like, no, no, no. That's not how it is. My name is OKK. Yeah, it wants to do it. Okay. You know, so it's like, my mindset is like, I'm going to get it. Like if you, if you tell God, this is what I want. This is what I'm praying for. He's going to give it to you. So I don't know. And I will not, I will not say that there is that there is definitely that prejudice. Of course, like, you know, the white counterparts to get better opportunities. But here's a really big one too. For me, my career is community, community, like I told you, group chats, I've always been, how can I connect with other creators so we can talk about the conversations when the earlier, the early TikTok creators, we had like this big group chat. We talked about like the Vine stars that are making like 30 K, 40 K on the post. And we're like, guys, we're not going to miss out on this train. So to help us out, if our brand reaches out to you, send us in this group chat and ask if anyone else has a brand also talked to you to. And this was a group chat with also white people too, like white, Spanish, all the other black creators. And we're looking at one another like, hey, this brand reached out to me. They offered me five K. How much they offer you? Oh, okay. Okay. Let me also go back and negotiate because we don't realize communication is most important amongst your, your coworkers, your counterparts, because then you guys helping each other win because if one creator says, oh, I'll do it for one K. Another creator is getting paid. Uh, it was going to be offered five K. This, uh, we'll go to the one K person. Now we're all losing. Yeah. So it might as well communicate. I think community having a good community of good people around you and being transparent with each other has definitely helped. So that's, that's my thought on that. I'm like taking notes in my head because like, you know, like, you're so right in that delusional aspect of just you just have to want it so bad you make it happen. But I think I struggle a lot with community. And I think it was because I was on that. Let's be in a group chat. Let's help each other. And then I got burnt so many times. I was like, you know what's a big, let me focus on myself and leave everybody there. But the impact of community cannot be undersold in this situation because I wouldn't lie to you like even like being able to have guests in the podcast is because of communities because of people who I'm like, oh, I want to reach out to you. I want to connect with you. I want the, and even the growth mindset to like, I mean, Dre, I got on a call, guys. 20 minutes maybe. She was running from, I think you went to the gym or you're just waking up in the morning. And I'm like, I was at church. Yeah. She called me. And in that conversation, I go, and I got someone who will help me with a video. I go, I go, if I go to podcasts, studio space, opportunities, like anyone's just in the matter of like just talking about, oh, what are your plans for this thing? What are you doing here? And for me, that is the impact of community and the importance of community too. So I was going to give you a promise. You can't do this alone. You can't do this show. And I think if people don't realize like when you're in your room trying to figure everything out by yourself, we use the chat to you to figure everything out, you understand like, people want to help. Yeah. As much as like, and this is one thing you said about community, you also know when the difference between like, oh, this person is my friend and this person is my acquaintance, who I can also rely on. Yeah. Because when you put them in a box of like, this person is my friend, when that is something they can't fill that box for you. But as your acquaintance, as you're someone from your community, someone from your your coworker, you can ask them like, help me. Yeah. People want to help, especially when you're a student, like when I was a, when I went to USC for grad school, I was using the, I'm a school student. I don't know. But people love to give out knowledge, especially you like this acts for help. Yeah. That's a humility thing. Because people are not home, but no, they can help me. I will ask for help. Please help me. I don't know. Please teach me. Yeah. No, and I, you see, oh, guys, the most successful people will tell you that the community is the strongest because as you're talking, I think about an interview I watch for Kevin Hart too, but he talked about like, he and Easter Ray were in an interview together. And he talked about how like, he was like, bro, I'm here. What the fuck ask me? And she's like, oh, I don't want to bother you. Like, I know you're busy. And he's okay. I'm like, you have my fucking phone number. Yeah. Like call me off. If you need anything, you're not bothering me. And I want to lie to you. I learned the impact of that last year. When I think it was two years ago, a year ago when I went in LA, because I just, that was the run at the same time. I just, I actually got closer to you. And that's what tell you I know at the time. And I just realized that, oh, shit. Like, you guys have so much knowledge that I could impact me to let me make the effort to actually ask if I need any help. Talk to you guys. You'll be also invested in your growth and your support too. And there's a lot of nerves to going into that. Like, oh, I'm not sure. I don't want to get her again. Boy, again, you know, when I said, yeah, I told you I was interviewed someone. I said, oh, that's my friend. I said, my friend. Actually, maybe not my friend. Somebody I know because that's also learned the difference between acquaintances and friends because in a business that's so personal, like sometimes it feels hard to delineate who's, which one is a personal relationship, which one is a co-work relationship. You're so smart. Delineates. I appreciate congratulations. So I really love that. So talking about your journey from industrial engineering full-time career, did you graduate industrial engineering? Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. So going from that to full-time creator, Forbes, Forbes, Forbes. Crazy. I'm 30 under 30. When you look back, what's the most like this could have gone left decision that changed everything for you? What do you mean, this could have gone left? So like, is there a time when you're like, I don't think I'm going to be able to make it. This is not going to work out at any point in your career. If you always just had like a steady rise, this has been like, because I am a woman of faith, I just go on faith. But I always have backup plans, right? So like, again, and this maybe the chicken move. Because today's generation, everyone's telling you, quit that job girl. So all that passion. You don't go do it again. No. No, you have to be smart and strategic. So for me, when I was before I did social media full-time, I was doing engineering and also social media. But I didn't just say, let me quit my engineering job and do social media full-time. I ended up getting going to grad school. So I applied to USC, University of Southern California, for a Master's in Entrepreneurship and Innovation. And I also applied for a scholarship through TikTok. They gave me like, it was if $30,000 scholarship to go to college, to get my grad school, right? I should graduate degree. So then I knew, okay, I'm going to move into LA now. And I'm also a student while doing social media, right? So now I can learn the business side of social media. And then, when I finally learned it, I don't understand, it's how to pitch myself to brands, how to make sure I treat myself as a business. Okay, now I've learned it, and I'm graduating in college. Okay, now I can do this full-time. So I never just said, let me give it. I also when you're college, when you're students again, and you're broke, no one's looking at you, like, why are you a big, are you a big age, you're broke? Hey, I'm a big age, I'm a student. I'm a student, please help me. So I always wish it's strategic. I always had a backup plan. And in my mind, because I had that degree, and this is what helped me, again, it's probably been Nigerian, but I knew I had a degree. So if I do this social media full-time and it's not working, I can just go apply for an engineering job somewhere and do both, right? So I always kind of had a backup plan. But without having a backup plan, but still taking that leap of faith, right? Because there's still a leap of faith to do this, go on. But you have to really just go at it. Heavy. Heavy. Like, this is it. Even if you have that backup plan, I didn't say, oh, what kids tomorrow go apply for jobs. Like, no, I'm doing this heavy. I'm doing this heavy. I'm going, I'm going to book the studio. I'm going to film this content. I'm going to post consistently, like, um, just risk it all. So that's definitely like, I'm just looking at you. Okay, tell I'm just like, yeah, yeah, thank you. Thank you. We underestimate how much work or maybe people watching underestimate how much work and intention goes into success. And your level of success is something people don't even deep. But like, when I hear you talk, I'm like, of course, it's an evidence she's successful and she's the best at what she does. Because I can hear the passion. I can hear the drive. I can hear the intention too. And I can hear the like the strategy behind it all. And I think with social media, we, it's hard when if I'm sitting here right now, I'll come with a video idea. Like, it just maybe pops it like we're drinking match on. I think of something. I'm like, well, let's film a video. And that video gets 10 million views. It's easy to then go, oh, I can just rely on thinking of random ideas and then film. And I could do that for the rest of my life. At some point, that video view will stop. And I will need the strategy to figure out how to get the next thing, how to build a piece inside of it. What if TikTok goes away, what happens then? And I think people get so hungry for viral scene views. They forget there's a lot of strategy behind it. Oh, my gosh. It's not about viral. It's not about going viral. It's really about building that community and having that, that brand, right? Because like I built a brand around the Nigerian American experience, right? From the slangs to the Mama D African mom character, like good in our brand and replicating that, creating a series that people want to keep coming back to watch my content. I think another thing too, which maybe you may be an answer to the question you have in the future. But it's like, how can I stand out amongst the masses? Yeah, right? Because there's a lot now and even, I don't know if today if I had zero, I want to start being a creator, I have to be really passionate about it. Because there's so many creators. So at that time when I was doing it, I was taking notes from the greats. Like, like, what were the greats as the top people on social media doing? There were standing out. So okay, me and my friend James Henry were like, okay, Dreia, let's use our low money we're earning to book studios. We live in LA, book a studio that has like a set, like a hospital room, a jail room, a courtroom. And let's make our content standouts. Not to get used to green screen, but then no, no, no, no, no. So we're doing that. And now's how brands were looking like, yo, this week, we're in an airplane right now. And this video is funny. But also there, they're still there. The quality of work is good. We can put product placement in these videos. So like, that's how I was really like standing out and then feeding into the community. Like, I know what kind of content I wish I grew up watching. But I grew, which, which I wished I saw growing up watching, whatever that language is right now. I wish I saw what I was growing up watching. For all content, you used. My first language was French. I saw watching, okay, yeah, I saw. You get the points. Yeah, I saw to watch you. I wish I would have seen growing up creating content that you wish you saw growing up. Because like, I think about like young Dreia. Yeah. Um, I really loved, even, I loved Taylor Swift because like back in the eye, it's still like her, but I loved her because she was tall, right? And she was like a tall girl killing it. So now when I was thinking about content, I was like, thinking about, okay, could I do some funny sketches about being a tall girl? And then I see some DMs about girls, like, oh my god, I love your hide. I love your talk. Oh, yeah, yeah, this works. I mean, community. I think about the people watching it, but also creating it for myself at the same time, you know, two boxes being ticked at the same time. Strategy. So iconic. Um, so in sort of that conversation too, um, what did being Nigerian and being raised Nigerian teach you about success? And also, what did you have to unlearn to actually enjoy your life now? Ah, definitely the working hard part. Um, you know, like, my mom says, anything we're doing is worth doing well. So you have to go go hard at it. But I think unlearning was like being able to balance working hard and also having fun. Yeah. Can I think being a creator is a fun, it's a fun job. Like you're being a creative, it's fun. You get to film with your friends and hang out. So I think I'll learn like, it's okay to take a break and not post a little bit. That's definitely something I've learned now. Like, if I, if I go offline for a bit, like, my phone was just, they'll still be there. You can come back stronger. Like, it's okay to rest. Rest in the rest. Okay, travel a little bit. Like rest a little bit. That's definitely unlearning because even like, I think my parents now are just learning like, I took them on a trip to Jamaica. No, I took both of them. I said, cool. I didn't go. I take Google, Google, go and enjoy Jamaica. And now they, they involve vacation into their schedules because they work so much, right? So even me too. Like, can I think as a creator too? Sometimes you do like a brand trip. It's not really, it's work. It's work. It's a whole isn't work. You gotta do this. You know. Because you've done a lot of branches actually, you know? So it's like how to be able to say, okay, let me stay extra three days for myself and not post and go offline. Like my favorite times which I'm looking forward to is like spending time in the village. Yeah, because like, I don't have internet. I'm locked off. I'm like, just chilling with family and just resting. So I think the alert, I have to learn is like, you can work hard, but you can also find time between the rest. Yeah, yeah. I love that. On the conversation of like resting then, like, was there ever a point where you're like, you know what? I'm chasing being the best. But like, oh, shoot, I'm actually exhausted. I'm chasing something on this internet. I'm trying to like burn myself alive. Like, have you ever felt like that at any point in your career? Okay. I think I, I felt like that when it was like before I had to travel and I was trying to do as much like content as possible. So when I travel to Nigeria, I can, I can like take time off. So I'm saying yes to everything. I was like, okay, this brand deal came out and say yes, yes, yes, yes. But at some point, I was like, trail, you're tired. Yeah. Can you say no? It's okay to say no. It's easy to know. More will come. And that's where I learned the abundance by sets. It's like not everything needs to like, because when you operate from a state of lack, you will never actually reach the potential you need to be. Because you always had a scarcity mindset like, oh, if I spend this money, it's not going to come back. If I don't say yes to this, I'll never get this opportunity again. But you need to realize that that turns the church service, but God is going to bring you what you need and even more in abundance. So I learned a button as my set where it's like sometimes you need to say no, so things so you can actually be able to pour and have more time to pour into these things that I'm working for you and stop adding so much more to your plate. I love that. You're so right. Because I feel like I am currently in that space of balance. And I think a lot of creators struggle with that a little bit too of like, when do we know we're doing too much? When is it time to rest? Especially, I think for you, I think you're, I like to say like I'm a personality creator, but I think you are more of a personality creator than I even I am. Because they, so I'll tell you what this that means essentially. So I'll say a Mr. Beast is a personality creator too. Kai Sinai is a personality creator. Someone who people are relying on for their funniness, their personality, right? I'm like, get ready with me day in the life. What's makeup do I use? What blush do I use? What shoes am I wearing? What fact? It's more like you're, you're the arts, but your, your ideas, your skills, your host, your presenter, you're an actor, right? Like that's your niche. And I think I'm also trying to get into that space. But I struggle sometimes because to make money, a lot of the bread also comes from the get ready with me is the oh yeah, making money. Girl, the vlogs, all of that, right? And so when I sit in that like that mix, then I end up being in moments of I'm exhausted because yeah, I want to film this skits, but then this brand wants me to film this air video and then they get ready with me and put makeup on and over. And I also even catch myself and be like, I think it's somebody who's alive. That can't do all this stuff. You've done enough. And but I will say I enjoy that when we both walked in here. You're telling me about what the plan is. I'll tell you about my plan. I said, ah, you're always working out. I was like, I can literally look at you and say the same thing. So I like to be acknowledged that we work really hard. But we also, I love that. I think we're both being intentional now, but also getting moments of rest because that's important too. I have a random question that's not in my notes, but okay. I have a wear take. Am I too loud if I say that? I really, I really want you to take on this for real. Because I think why people? It's way the question going, way the question going, I think why we're just don't get a little rest. Let me explain what I mean by that. Okay. Cause like, maybe that's why I put some insane pressure on myself. Cause when I look at the white peers that I compare myself to every aspect of it. No. Okay. Maybe not compare myself. I know what you mean. I am kind like that we're in the same buckets. You see that way, right? Like, if you have, like, if you go to certain events, people that I see at those events, they're like every step of their life is documented. You know what I mean? Like, they might be giving birth and they have vlogging the child coming out of their coach. You know, I mean, like, there's no rest involved. You see that we're like, Nara Smith. I know she's not right, but you see how Nara Smith, you see that? I know like video is another creator who's not right actually. So maybe it's just not a white thing. But there's certain moments of content creators. I see that I like, they're on the go 24 seven. It doesn't feel like there's ever a rest. I mean, people talk about how Alex Earl has never not posted in the past four years. Like, she's actually not going on the break online. Like, she's posted every day. Yeah. The past four years. So when I see folks like that, Commissioner Beast said he has never gots in a break. Like, he's constantly posting because he wants to be the best. So when I see folks like that, Kevin Hartson, I'm like, clearly I have this because these are people I'm looking at. I'm like, I want to do that too. But I feel like it also would lead to burnout. But then I'm like, is it burnout or is it that I don't want it enough? Oh, wow. That's a good question. And I'm not sure what the answer is. Like, you have to do what works for you. Because if you're if you're someone who like for Alex Earl who post has never missed a day, that's become her normal, her normalcy. And she is used to that, right? Because even like when you think about someone who wants to create content like how you're creating content, it feels impossible. If today you put me in the lab laboratory, be a rocket scientist. I don't know how to do rocket science. I don't do that. But I coming up with skit ideas and content ideas is like the back of my hand. Like, I've done that for so many years. That is easy for me. So you just have to do what works for you. And if you want to be able to make that your normal lifestyle, you can. You just have to start doing it sooner or enough. If it's for you, you naturally make it to habit where it's like, I'm documenting my life every day. And I'm posting so consistently. And now it's normal for me. And to this point of all the people who are like, they document everything that some people only let you know what they want you to know because it's curated. That's true. So to you, like some people tell come to me and tell me, girl, you're always gone. You're always traveling. Where's traveling? Meanwhile, I've been in that home for like three weeks straight. I'm like, I'm posting my travel videos from my room. But you think I'm still gone. So it's a curated experience. And you have to curate the kind of life that you want people to see. But doesn't mean that they're always busy. And they might also have a team who's a charge of training around that video super fast. They film everything. They edit. So now the stress of filming and editing is not on them. So they're able to keep it up long term. And I promise you a lot of these people, they have teams or they have someone to help them with that aspect. I said everything. Yeah, you know, you're going to have the answer to that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Drea knows. Drea knows best guys. Okay, then what is the standard you hold for yourself that people don't see? These are hard questions. What's the standard I hold for myself that people don't see? I mean, people see the authenticity. Yeah. And I guess I didn't really, because someone even like New York, she told me that recently. She was like, Drea, Drea, and Donald, they told me that you really did that. Like you came out in the time popping your content about culture before it was even cool to be Nigerian. You know, I even go like, let me try to like change myself a little bit so that way I can get some deals from like the white people and the white America. You know, I was like, I just showed up for myself. And that's something I didn't do intentionally. I just did it because I don't like stress. I like peace. I know what's easy for me to do. So thank God it worked out, you know. But what's the standard that I hold for myself that people don't see? Oh, man, I don't know. The thing that pops in my mind is like family. I really love my family. Like family. And I guess I said it already, community, like, because like I that's my reset button. Like I always look for it to go in around like my sisters, my nieces, my mom, my brother, just so I can just being around them just helps remind me about what I'm why I'm doing what I'm doing. You know, and that's like I hold them to that. Like I'm so thankful for having a good family that actually like supports me and not envious of me. And they're more like, like it's not my brother's like, Drea, what about your show? You need to do this. You need to do that. Like you like push me. They push me. They push me good, you know. So there's a standard, I guess family is my standard. And maybe if I think of something else, I'll say another answer. So what is that? Oh, standard. Okay, I think another one actually. Oh, tell me. Yeah, maybe like, know my worth. Yeah. That's another good answer. Yeah, I feel like I could tell. I could tell. I was like when I see you in rooms, like I think you hosted something for TikTok. And in my head, I went, oh, she definitely knew her, like she, she knows what she offers. Yeah. I think when I first was trying to get into presenting and hosting, I don't even know if you know this, but you, I posted something about a real, you've posted something about hosting. And I just went to study and watch you do your thing. And I was just like, you just, you do it so well. And it's so carefully and it's so easy. And I could tell you worked hard. So when you're talking about doing hosting classes and acting classes, I was like, I knew it. Like, like, you know, I mean, like, you know someone who's made sure, like when you, when you're giving the opportunity, you're ready for it. Yes. And for a lot of us, people always want opportunities, but they're not prepping for when the opportunity should needs to come. I think in life, like, and this is why the comparison thing that we talk about, right? I stopped comparing myself to others because I really know what value I bring. Yeah. So all people don't, what people would do don't bother me. And even like something I did that trained myself is turn off people's likes. Because at certain point, I was starting to compare my likes to other people. I haven't had likes turned on. Like I can't see what people likes. How many likes they get in the past, maybe two years? Yeah. Because I started comparing myself with other comedy creators or other creators. I'm like, they're getting this many likes in just how many minutes. And I want to get this. And I'm like, Treya, why you compare yourself to others? You know who you are? You know, the daughter of the most high God you are. And I know my talent is I'm a people's person. Yeah. I got to know the effect I have on people when I talk to them. And when I find discovered hosting and doing it on stage. And like the first time I spoke in Cannes to talk for me out there to speak at Cannes Lions, Festival Creativity, like a big marketing convention. And there's like 3,000 people in audience. And I was not scared just to tell my story. I'm like, I'm gonna sit down there. I was like, I was so excited to go up there and speak and talk about my journey as an engineer, as a creator. But it's like, I know what I'm good at. So I'm going to get better at it. And when you know that's your superpower, no one can tell you anything. Because honestly, no one can do what you do. Ah, this quote. No one can do what you do. So treasure that. Right? Like, I know I'm good at giving my put in front people. Yeah. That's good. But don't put me in the laboratory to become a rocket science. I'm not good at this. So what's all you need to be a rocket science? That's like the most generic example, because I don't think everyone can be a rocket scientist. So I can be a diehead cosmotologist and die someone's hair. You know, I'm not, I don't trust confidence. But I think superpower is confident at what you can do. Yeah. And just get better at it every day. I love that. Yeah. So like on the flip side then, what's one area where like you've sort of become softer or you're softer than said, you know what? I don't need to be the best in this area. It's good enough for me. Like just being there is good enough for me. Is there anything in your life that you're like, I'm not the best. Because I think you're the best at everything. But I'm bad. That's the one that washul. That's the oh, my, oh my, bucket. And today I'm so honestly, I'm so done. That's right now. Oh, because like, and I tell you this, if you're trying, you're already the best because at every point of where you are, you're doing the best that you can. So like, is there any part that anything you've done, maybe that you're like, this might not be my best, but it's good enough and I've tried it. I think it'd be nothing too. Yeah. I'm just good at everything. Sick. No. No, guys. I'm thinking. The only answer I could think about is, this is so random, but cooking. Not cooking, but cooking soups. Like soup. Like, I'm not good at cooking. Like, it's okay. Like I wish I really love okra soup. I'm not good at it. It never comes out good. Jalon fries recently. I made Jalon fries and it tastes a lot better. I used the Tisok recipe where you, you roast the bell peppers inside and it came out better. So yeah, but I wish I was better cooking Nigerian food, you know, because we always told me like, oh, you do a lot Nigerian content. Like, can you do some cooking videos? I'm like, you want to come cook for me? Then I try it as a chef. So I think I think that's, it's not, it's not deep. It's real. It's like, you can soup soups. Like, I'm like, oh, bono soup. But like, vegetables are so sweet. Who wonders me how hard it is to make soup? It's hard. It's hard. It's hard. If you don't know the right ingredients and then you do put too much, you ruin inside the other. I don't know if how many leaves it's going to be water and then you're shitting after it. You know, show what you did that was wrong. I'm telling you. And even the prepping of the Nigerian food is hard. It's hours. It's just not easy. It's just so much ceremony. So I feel you, girl. I feel heavy. Okay. Since you're, you've talked about this a little bit. So you can maybe just touch on it a bit more. But you've hinted at the fact that like Mama D is also teaching people Nigerian culture. So did you do that intentionally? Was it more of like a, it was just funny. And then I realized I was teaching people always in more of like, oh, I want to intentionally teach people about my culture. I think it was a bit, make sure of like, I want to teach you about my culture because Nigerians, we always want to show ourselves, like, come over, you know, come and try our food. Like, let me teach you the dances. I actually always put in people on our four beats back in the day. Like, before Burnable was popping out, I'm like, am I dormant? I'm playing it loud. People can hear it. You know, so I think. And then I just love the way like our culture connects people. Like seeing that connection through joy is so good. Like, I remember one video I did campaign for HP. And it was about like, how do you recycle your household? And the story I told was like, Mama D, like, growing up, my mom would recycle plastic bag. We don't throw it away. So we use it as trash bag or like, and what I bought to, we don't throw away the plastic. We put groundnuts inside it or put spices, you know? And that was it. And it went to provide our millions of views. And you know, again, people commenting like, my Arab mom does this. My Asian mom does this. My dish, you know, so I love just seeing people connect connection through content, connection through through through storytelling, you know? And that's, and that's, so it's an intentional thing of like teaching the slags or teaching through Mama D, but also it's like, it's just nice to see that. Oh, like, even outside of my community, I can relate to other people's community through our, we have similar backgrounds, similar experiences, you know, similar experiences. As an Asian American, then do you ever feel like that pressure of like representing us perfectly in a way? So yes, I know. Okay. Because there is the truth of like, man, Jira is not perfect. Right? And Jira is not perfect. We know that. You know, like, I know, I know, I know. But because I love on my page to be joyful and, you know, people to come there. And if you're sad, you leave happy from watching my content. I want to portray the positive side of Nigeria because it's very easy to go to other news outlets and get all the negatives you want, you know? So I don't carry it on my head. It's not my job to be the one to tell you everything. Right? But I'll just tell you from my experience. Because when I went, my favorite part of my life was when I was in boarding school in Nigeria. Like that, that was like, leaving favorite part. Yes. And I know it's so weird. Because when I talked to my friend, I'm still really close to my, my really close friends that from like, my boarding school times from jesus. So I did jesus one to ss one in jesus one. I mean, was one of your favorite times? Yeah. Where did school go to? I went to Trinity National College in Ogostates, all father. That was great. Your favorite time. Did you get believes? Yes. Of course. Kind of. Because I came out. I was like, the American girl with the American accent. And my cousin was in ss three. So he made sure they put together. But I still got the bits in the floor, you know, all those things like that. But trauma bonding. Like we're all coming through my cry together. You know, cause like, ah, they beat us. They punished us. You know, pick pin jump frog. What is different punishments? They'll give us. But like, it really was like sisterhood in the dormitory. Like, you know, and even my, like we all looked off one another, even though like the meals were terrible, bread and butter every day or like, you know, rice and stew with no meat. See, I was, but I don't know. I just loved it because it really taught me how my independence. It taught me confidence. I was the tallest one in my sets. So every time, if someone did something, they immediately tell you, you was you, you know, like, I don't know, cause my friends have different experiences. They all said, like, it was terrible. Like trauma from this. And that's the word. But I always is the optimism that positive outlook in me. And I was like, Oh, you know, like, I learned so much. I learned about my culture. Like, that's where I really learned, you know, Nigerian lingo. And that's like, you know, our dancing, you know, we have it. What's the code? School nights when you have like dancing. Yeah. Whatever it's called. Oh, God. I don't know. Social night. Social night. Yeah. I think that's cool. That's cool. You know, that's it. We love that dancing break dancing. You know, we go to dance the gospel songs. I remember, you know, and then try my club to, you know, start doing small acting. I liked, you know, like, and I really wanted to be, um, meal perfect. What's cool? Because I wanted to stand in the middle of the dining hall. I say, buy your hands for a prayers. And that's how I do your girl loved attention. Yeah. I was, I was, I was in social preference. Cause I was absolutely what I was to be the head of everything. Oh, I don't care about the party. Yeah. I love you. Yeah. Oh, I didn't not realize it was when you liked it. Like, I might think about what you're saying now. I feel like, okay, yeah, you're actually right. Like the punishment and all that stuff is actually like trauma bonding. But when you think about it, like, you learn so much and our destiny comes from that experience itself. Like a loan at that age that we were. And to just navigate all these relationships with different people and teachers and being away from home, it just toughens you in a way that most people can't like, even understand a relationship. They didn't go through the experience. That's definitely what it's up. Because to come move from America, what you're doing, maybe six subjects, and you go to Nigeria, oh, doing 15 subjects. And I can't mid second 10 where I have to now hand right all my notes. It was really such ridiculous. Why is at your 10 year old learning 15 subjects, but you learn a business studies and social science. But that challenge excited me, you know, and just, I think I just being around people 24 seven was like the, but I won't lie that I was sad when I first moved in like the first month. Of course, I was like, my parents hit me. You only get one phone call a month or visiting day. And I personally call my visiting day because we live in, they live in Abu Jain. My mom was still in America. So I'm like, um, but community, that's probably where I learned community from. I mean, I can see that they were like, oh, it's okay. It's okay. Like do want my extra meats and you're hungry. You know, if you look at one of those, I don't know. I enjoyed it. I love that. Yeah. Okay. So like, at what point now, think about Hidreya, think about Nigeria and Drea and I joined American Drea business woman, Drea. Um, I'm a point of view now. I decide, okay, I'm a business now. I'm a brand. I want to monetize all this views I'm getting. Um, it was 20, 2018. I go into school because my business school that I went to, we were learning how to pitch, like we were learning how to pitch decks. I had to pitch your business. Yeah. And when I applied for for grad school, it was like, I applied as like Drea knows best is my business, right? So every class we did deal like Paris with like somebody else to pitch a business. But I will on the side, I will start learning okay. If I'm pitching Drea, how does that look like? So I started making my own templates, like how to pitch myself out. I will spend time like go on LinkedIn, look for who's a social media manager for whatever company I want to work with. And then write down, write down, write them an email like, hey, I'm Drea. I have this many followers. My audience is this age group. Here are my most viral videos. I can promote your product. I'll email them on LinkedIn. They'll message me back on LinkedIn. I'll find their stock them on Instagram, message them on Instagram, you know? And even like learning that, okay, you have to put your best self forward, make your media kits, doing research right back then people weren't really familiar with media kits and then doing that there. So I'm like, okay, this is the business. Like Drea knows best your page is your product you're selling and pitch it. So really doesn't learn how to do that because you can sit down on a whiff option to come for you or you can go out and get it. And I'm gonna go get it. Yeah, you are. I'm gonna get that. I'm gonna get that. So that's definitely I learned that early on and also just like realizing that it's who you know in this industry, right? It's not about just your page because you will see some of these creators or creatives in whatever industry and who are getting opportunities, but they're not that talented, but because they know someone events. And this is something I remembered. This is conference called VidCon. It's a big question. Right? All the creators who try to go there, I really wanted to be a speaker there like a featured creator, but I wasn't big enough that they didn't see me as whatever. But I still went there printed out business cards. And I was the only creator there who had a business card. So why everyone is trying to follow on follow on farms with the biggest creator. Hey, I'm like, who's the one who's managing this creator? Let me go talk to them. Here's our business card. So that's how I was setting myself up for success. You know, it's like, yeah, I'm taking notes. I feel like I'm geeking over this. Yeah, you know, so it's like, and it makes you memorable because like, who was that creator that gave me a business card? But you have to speak the language of the people who are making those decision makers, right? That now, now today, maybe a little bit different. Like all these things. It's probably still the same because I didn't think about it. Like people wouldn't be more understanding and respectful because now a lot of creators are on serious. And like, follow up a bit of it. Like most of them will not even take the time. And they're chasing like, oh, how can I do this? Our landish thing and this thing to get attention. But most of them are chasing attention from views and fans, not from the actual people making decisions. So when you go to events, are you talking to your peers? Are you talking to the PR girls who invited you and your peers? Exactly. Because if they invited you, that means they already know you are your peers. So you're going to be an immigrant. And someone who's not in this space and you don't already have an inbuilt network through school, through organizations. It's so pivotal. And as you're talking now, I'm like, you're so right. That's why she's the best. Thank you. Period. So you have savvy slangs. You have hosting. You have scholarships. You have brand deals. You have family. You have opportunities. You have trouble. You have all these things going on. How do you decide which one is aligned to Drea? And it was best LLC versus which one is just noise? That's a good question. I mean, my manager now tells me that you have management. You have agency, right? He's my agent. I also call my manager and my friend. I love him so much. But I'm very good at doing many, many things at once. But it's also like, would I be better if I try to focus on just like two or three things? Because I will be transparent with you. I'm not going to come out here and lie like, oh my god, everything is great. Things do lack. Because even now, like, like my course, like I had the TikTok course, next level, next level influence course for people to learn how to do social media and how to build a TikTok page. But after I was so excited, I launched it and I sold a couple and I'm like, all right, onto the next thing. So I think, how do I decide? That's actually something I'm trying to do right now. Going into 2026, it's like, you have so many franchises. You have savvy slangs. You have your course. You have, you know, my show I'm trying to produce. You have a mama D. All these things, like could I pick like two or three? Maybe two and really go in on it and how much more further would that go? You know, that's why I admire like, you know, I might too loud, right? You locked it on it. I was about to be like, I want you to be trying to, I'm not sure because I feel like we're on the same page with that too. Because I struggle with like, I call myself a multi-potentialite. And that's someone who's like a jack of all trades and a master of all. And that's like, you are capable of doing everything. Like you are like, we are capable of sitting here and doing all those things you just mentioned. However, we're also humans. And sometimes things will lock. So I have conversations with people all the time where they're like, okay, so if I want to pick two things, what do you pick? And then I was starting to do two things on my kind, I missed the other thing. Wow, boy, it was nice. Two stay where I got to go back to it. So I'm trying to navigate how to keep doing things at certain level or break them up into quarters. So instead of doing a full year of focus on two things, I would do like, this is the season for the podcast. And this is the season for the vlog channel. This is the season for YouTube. And grow it to wear like it's its own entity and its own space or its own ship. And then I can go on to the next thing. And that's helped me rewire. So like the podcast was, it's been my priority from now until the end of the year. And then for next year, I'm starting with December actually to like March. I'm doing the vlog channel. And then from March till next summer, I'm doing my main TV channel that I have on YouTube, where I was actually create shows. I love stuff. I got as able to keep me like, so when I focus on the podcast now, I know I wake up every when I think about this idea. Once I know I've done it well 150, I can let it go. So someone else can take over and do it. Yeah, yeah, that's good. That's good. I love it. You're already like, you're really kind of planning the 20s, 20s. Like head of time. I'm trying. That's good. It's helped me realize that. I think it's also been a no matter it's helped. Because I realized I have to plan shit now or else nothing gets done. And I actually was talking to a friend yesterday about it. And she said, in LA specifically, I applied it to my life that if you sit still, nothing happens unless you plan for it to happen. Meaning you can see your house and being your house for two weeks. And you realize you've no left your house because you have a gym in your apartment. You have anything else you need. But if you decide, okay, maybe tomorrow I want to do Pilates. The next tomorrow I want to go to Santa Monica Beach. The next I want to go to this life begins to happen to you. Then you realize things go easier and faster because of it. So I'm looking at that with my content to like, okay, for the podcast, what are my goals? How do I want to get there? Let me start playing that for next April, next June, next December. Stuff like that. Yeah, I'm definitely going to take that take a picture now book. Definitely. And even like just like seeing which ones are lying most with my purpose, right? Because like I want to make sure I'm very much walking in my purpose and just to do that. Because like some of these things, even I did more you do it becomes easier. So it's not going to take me that much of your time. But if I can pour more into like, what's going to really fulfill my purpose? And I'm going to feel even better. Yeah, sure. I love that. Okay, so what is one money or business L that you took early that still shapes you now? Do you have any? I definitely do. Oh my god. Yeah. Oh, I have a good story. I have good story. Okay. So when I started getting some money, I was like, okay, I want to invest. I want to invest. I want to invest. So then I had some person I know told me about this like company that helps build out your Amazon store, right? Anybody Amazon store for you and like they were running for you to have to put an investment in. So I did it. I paid $20,000. Okay. To create an Amazon store. Okay. And wait, wait, wait, I'm going to keep going. Yeah, very Amazon store. So they created it for me. But what I didn't know it because they were like, oh, we're going to generate like $10,000 of dollars like every month for you. And I'm like, cool. What I didn't know was that I would have to use my own credit card for this for this deal. So what they do with Amazon store is all pyramids, fucking scheme. They take, if someone orders like, let's just need to order like crocs from your Amazon store, they will go to Walmart and see, okay, maybe they're selling crocs for $20 on a Walmart and you sell your crocs for $30 on Amazon, right? So they buy it on Walmart and they ship it from Walmart straight to them. And then they take the profit, like get into the profit down to that. That would be right. So if you buy it, they say your Amazon store has deodorant for $10. Walmart is selling that same deodorant for $2. They will buy it from Walmart and ship it there. So now you have that profit of $8. But what's happening is that those Walmart's orders they're buying is your credit card. So before Amazon will pay you back off your profits you made, you're now your credit card is really gone so, so high. And now you're in serious debt and you're waiting for Amazon to pay you out. So it was just basically a big scheme and the company that ended up was doing it for me and ended up going like bankrupt. So now I'm like waiting for them to like pay me back and and that does a profit split, right? So it was like, I think it was like terrible 50-50. Yeah. So it was terrible. Anyways, I lost $20,000 and I lost my Amazon store privileges, which is why Sabi Slangs is not on Amazon. Because every time I try to create an Amazon store for Sabi Slangs, it flags. And even when I was working with Amazon directly, this is like what, four years later to try to make my own store, they're like the AI keeps flagging my like they would try to try everything to try to like show that's here. Like she's a legit business, this and that. But you're like, no, excuse me over. So the more the story is, don't listen to everyone who tells you go invest in this because it's going to make you money. Do your own research. Because I was just hungry. I was like, I want to be an ambassador. Yeah. And it's the investment. So we are getting more less invested in something, and I you never know. No, no. So it's definitely was a terrible, terrible investment. Just specify your income. Look at me now. Yeah, like no, like take your time. Even like with all this Bitcoin and crypto, everyone talking about investing this like, do your research. Me, I don't do it. That's another terrible investment. Yeah. Once I won, they picked sure I'd stand up. Yeah. What's the thing? It was a home. I can't remember. But you know, it's like digital art. Digital art, right? I also bought some because this guy he was like, I'm making so much money. I'll teach you invested money that lost. I never was able to resell it. We saw the art. It's nice to own that freaking art piece. That's not even real. I can't even hang it to my wall. It's on the freaking internet. So it's only a Bitcoin and all those shit confuses the fudge out. I mean, that's like I'm against because I don't even understand the concept. I'm like, I'm like, so wait. It's like always in the end. Wait. Wait, wait. It's in the end. Show me. Show me points. It's out to me now. Yes. So those were stupid investments. I know. Now, any of the best and things that I understand more like real estate. Like, no, I'm doing more real estate. Okay. I understand that. It's smart. But it's a lot. Trust me. It's a lot. I can't even get it. So she American real estate. Woo. Wait. My girl. I'm not podcasting so for that. But thanks, Julia, for being in the loud guest seat. I appreciate you. We're going to go into some fun questions now. And it's a game called Best Advice or Worst Advice. And I'm going to reduce sort of like a scenario or different parts of the creator journey. And you can either say, oh, that's a good advice. That's the best advice you can get. Oh, that's the worst advice. Do not do that. Okay. Okay. All right. Let's see. Posting every single day in a matter of what's best advice or worst advice? Worst device. Yeah. Okay. You want to tell me why you just want to keep going? No, I'll tell you why. I always have something to say. It depends on the type of content, right? Like you create. Like, let's say you create like cinematic, like HD high definition, producing kind of videos. You can't post that every day. It takes a long, long time to produce. And if you're not posted every day is my tank because now you're rushing your creativity. Yeah. Yeah. So again, do what works for you. I love that niching down super hard and never switching lanes. Um, it depends on you. For me is worst advice because someone like me who wants to try different things, then you're stuck in a box. I never want to be stuck in a box. It won't like with with skits too. Like when I start posting skits and they love skits, I train my community to know like, hey, sometimes you might get skits, sometimes you might get slangs, sometimes you might get me travel vlogging, sometimes you might get different things because when you have too big for a box. Yeah. Yeah. Um, just be consistent and everything will work out. Yes. Yeah. Best advice. I love the best advice. Only post what performs well. Kill everything else. Oh, it depends if you're just starting to grow. Yes. Yes. I mean, this post was performed well. If you're trying to grow an audience, yes, give the audience, give the people what they want. Right? Yeah. But then when you now have nurtured that audience, you can do whatever you want. I love that. Um, hop on every trend so you don't fall off. Ah, no, no, no, no, no. For me, hop on trends, but make it yours. Make it different. I love that. I was talking with that. There was, I don't know if you saw Farge, I forget who it was, but there was a, there was something trending and there was this black creator. Fuck, I can't remember what she does, but she's one of those like, she's a period girl and then she has like anxiety. Like she's, where's the red jacket? She has an Amazon Prime video show. Oh, she's light skinned. Yes, I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, she's like, this is a council of different people that pop up, right? Yes. And there was a trend of something going on. And when she did the trend, the way she would do it. Yeah. And I saw that I was like, this is how trends need to happen. I can't remember if we're gonna try it now, but you're still right. You're so right or not. Um, quality over quantity, even if you barely post. Quality, as long as you're all using as an excuse, not the post. Okay. Okay. Okay. Stick to one platform until you blow, then expand. Heck, no, put that thing everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Because I, the algorithm is different. Yeah. Never share your rates with other creators, best or worst advice. Never, always share your rates. Always share your rates. Oh my gosh. Yeah. You don't need a manager. Just grind harder. You depend on how you are. Like someone like me, I never actually need a manager, because I'm very good at managing myself. Yeah. But that's how you really didn't think you had a manager. Oh my god. I didn't even tell a story about it. My terrible manager I had. Really? Yeah. Because I was looking for a manager. Because everybody else was having a manager. I was having a manager. Manager that was like, ended up on New York Times article about how she was like, extorting all her clients and like doing terrible things. And for me, she overlooked me because this is where I experienced the pressure to be in the black creator. Like she'll always give opportunities to her white little creators. But me, she'll bring me like your bum like very, very small money. And then even like once she was like, oh yeah, like this bikini company, I'm like, ma'am, like I don't really post bikini what? I'm not going to put most bikini on my page. I don't really do that. And like it was just horrible. So I think if you're going to get a manager, look for someone that believes in me like, yeah, and that's worth it. Stick with what people expect from me. Don't confuse your audience. Confuse them. Confuse them. The audience will find you. They're confused. Confuse them. I'm also going to come back. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. Ah, Julia, thank you so much for hanging out with MIT Law, the podcast. This segment is new. So we're not really going to do it yet. But I'm just, this is my need to that. But no, it's called the part fam hotline, where they actually send me voicemills about the conversation we're having. If you've not sent anything yet, but I'm hoping to send them soon, so can't please tell my followers to send. Send some voicemail to us. From you, from you, from you. Go to MITelaw.com to send in your voicemails. Maybe in the next episode, I can react to some of your voicemails. OK, on that note, we have something called, I like to call the MITelaw hype session, where you have to look directly into the camera. Let me move this Jo and the thing juice away. Directly into the camera. And I want you to hype yourself up. So like pour into yourself. Like share anything you want. And you can start with MITelaw if I say, or if I am, whatever you want to say. I'll give you an example. I can be like, I might say a lot if I tell you that I'm the best podcast host on the planet. I've worked really hard for this. I am better than anyone you could think. Like, that's what I want you to affirm and hype yourself. Because I feel like we don't tend to pour into ourselves. And I want you to affirm yourself right now. Oh my god. Oh my god. Please. Let's go to an icon. So let's hear it. OK. So I start with MITelaw. MITelaw'd, if I say I'm the prettiest tall girl in the world, I grind hard. I work for what I want. And I deserve everything I get. And I already have MITelaw'd, if I say that this is only the beginning that my star is so bright, I'm going to get bigger and better. Bigger. MITelaw'd, if I say that 2026 is about to be the best year I've ever had. Bigger than Forbes, 3030. Bigger than Forbes. Top 3, the bigger than the Nissan brand, the bigger than everything. MITelaw'd, if I say