Meet the Biggest Black Travel Creator in the World - Tayo Aina - Ep 38

Welcome to a My Too Loud The Podcast. Your passport doesn't define you, your courage does. Hey, Odd Fam, welcome back to a My Too Loud The Podcast with Silvia aka The Motherfucking Audity. I feel like that is not sort of like a loud factor, like something that is extra really. You're going to drink when I'm drinking my intro with the ice. Clearly today's guest wants me to introduce him. I mean, it was funny guys. I feel like the way I'm going to like engage with you, I don't think no one has ever seen. No one has ever seen our interaction in this way before. So I'm really curious to see how you guys get to know my friend because we're going to introduce today's guest who is rude and just started drinking ice during my intro when I was testing. Did you want your guest to die on the podcast? Whose fault is that? Get inside. I'm not talking about you. I'm not talking about you. I'm not talking rude. I'm not talking rude. I'm not talking rude. Anyways, guys, welcome back to my cell phone podcast with Sophie, aka the mother freaking Audity. Today's guest is really special to me because that is my friend. And I feel like the whole point of season, actually I don't stick that bug by words. The whole point of season two of the podcast for me was for you guys to get to know my cool, cool friends. I feel like everyone who's been on the episode so far that's been a guest, having someone who I know like well, like I know well enough, we at least talk, we call like they have my phone number. They know my last name. They know my middle name. What's my middle name? What's my middle name? Wait, let's suppose that was the last name first. That was my last name. Brian. Brian was crazy. Ibrahim. Okay. Ibrahim. Sophia. I know you. What's my middle name? Audity. Okay now. But clearly. Actually, I'm not right. I'll discuss this later. But please, gentlemen, boys and girls, everyone other in between, this is Mr. Taya I know. I like to call him Mr. I know. But this is Taya I know. A global creator, filmmaker, business owner, house owner, a homeowner, realtor, successful icon. Owner of assistant. Hallelujah. Amen. Thank you. Passport. Amen. I feel like I want to hold you this, but you inspired me to actually start my travel journey. Oh, really? I feel like the travel bug kicked in for me when you start getting closer because when I hear your passion, I don't know about your passion now, which we're guessing is big. Well, when I, like I remember like we would talk for hours about like content and work and life and it was just always so cool to hear you talk about like your passion for travel. So, first of all, I want to let you know that you inspired me to travel and like you inspired a lot of Africans to see the world passed like their backyard. So I'm close to you. Thank you. Say hi to the podcast. Thank you. Hi, guys. What's up? It's Taya. I know. Where's on the surface channel? Okay. We're going to get started with something that I think is usually like an internet roundup. So I'm just going to like, we're going to yap about things that are going on the world. Okay. So I'm going to ask you like, what is the first thing in your FYP that you want to share? Because I know you're a scroll, but you don't scroll like to scroll just like randomly, but you scroll like to research. Yeah. So tell me some tea, some news that's happening in the past that you want to talk about. Hmm. That's happening in the past. I think AI is thinking about the world. You should talk about AI. I was just watching Trevor Noah's, gee, watch it. You don't want to see it. Trevor Noah has an episode with Microsoft's AI person. I didn't say that one. Oh, but he just like, well, he was like, yesterday, yesterday, it's not been that long. Okay. But he talked about how like AI was started in 2010 and nobody believed it. And now like, it's amazing. Yeah. And I was like, as a creator, and we'll talk about AI as something very scary. I don't think it's scary. I mean, chat to your best friends. I don't think it's scary. Yeah. I think they are too size to it. It's like probably when they first invented guns, you know, that's a very, that's 20. You went to a very different time. Okay. Let's see, let's see. Okay. Because everything that can be used for good, you know, there's this Newton's law of motion to every action. There's an equal and opposite reaction. Everything that is created that can be good can also be as good as it can be and can also be evil. So it depends on who is the person using it. Yeah. And that's what AI is, is like AI can definitely, you know, it has it's changing the world. It is. It's so rapid. Like, chat GPD is like, I was having a chat with my chat GPD earlier this morning, based on the video idea I was doing. And I was just talking to it. And I was like, oh, yeah, Ty, you could do this. I'm like, and I was just like, it just a year ago. This wasn't even possible. So it's never been. Yeah. But now it's like a thing. Even when I go and fly to everywhere, we don't go to Google anymore. I would have never thought that no, people still use Google but Google has a competitor. Yes. That's true. I would have never thought in my lifetime I would be able to see somebody who sat something and be able to like, be competing with Google because now people are charging between stuff now. Instead of going to Google search. That's true. Like, yeah. So that's crazy. So that's what's happening. So you definitely use AI now with your content. I use AI. You think it waters down your content, though? No, I use it. I use it to make things, you know, get things done faster. It's like, before now, it was like, we're riding horses, with AI, it's like, we got cars. I see. So it doesn't just mix me, for me personally, I think it makes me do things faster. But yeah, some people who just rely on it fully to write scripts, but I don't really know if there's going to be a time where AI is going to be. Because there's this human, you know, there's this human thing, you can't, like, I don't know what you're thinking in your head. Yeah, I can at least for now. For now. You can't look at something like that. And I thought, oh, you're thinking this. Exactly. So, so yeah, so I use it as a tool to just get stuff done faster. Okay. So I feel like people who are watching, most people who are in my audience, I feel like our audience kind of like align overlapped, so they might know who you are. For the like few people who might know overlap, give us like a few synopsis of who you are. Like, what do you do? What would you say you do now? Because I know, like, the story, like, used to drive Uber in Nigeria, you're so fast, struggle, you're going through a life, and you're in a lot of pain, you're not going to know what you are. Guys, what car was Taya driving when he came this day here? What car was it? I was a driver. Thank you very much. She was in the environment, but her car, I don't know the name. I might say, all I know is that it had red season. So if your car has red interior, you are rich. I'm telling you, if your car has a red interior, you are rich. So I just for you, I don't suffer anymore. But I know people know you as like the Nigerian creator who was traveling across Africa and in traveling the world. Like, you have a distinct style of storytelling, because every time people are like, you're a YouTuber, I know you don't like that, because you're more than that. So explain to the part found like who Tayaina is. I think for me, I see myself as somebody who is curious about the world. And from that curiosity came, you know, trying to tell stories about things I saw. And that now led to me making videos and then eventually now doing YouTube. So I feel like from, I feel like human beings are not even like one thing as always. I think we always know we are multidimensional. But I think for me, at this point in my career, and at this point in my life, storytelling and storytelling is literally what I think I identify as a storyteller. And I can tell stories through every, each and every medium. So I'm a YouTuber filmmaker. I like business. I'm an entrepreneur. So we know we've even became all those things, because I used to do stuff before, like, really, I told you I had a restaurant in school. He did. I used to sell past arts, students. I had an events company. I started most of them failed, eventually. I used to sell phones to people too. Really? If you're selling, if you have your phone, maybe like, where you want to sell your phone, maybe like 20k. I'll look for somebody who needs a phone. I'll tell the person 25k, I'll call their phone, give the person out, take the 5k of the top. My selling was my pee. So now, I just knew that I was never going to walk for anybody, I knew I was just going to do my own thing. So I'll just say I'm a business man, and I also a storyteller. I like business. I like business. Even this studio as we came in, I'm like, hmm, how much does it cost to create a studio like this, not learning for people to actually start to, you know, use for stuff. So yeah. I feel like that's how we got connected to because tireless first figure how we met. So tire came to New York, like, first of all, tire randomly came to New York, and I was like, oh my god, like, I live in New York, let's hang out. Oh, man, before then, what are you saying? We didn't meet before then. We were talking on social media. Well, so we never like met, and then like, when did we meet in person? Oh, me too. And also, I want to give props to that. I feel like I've said this before to you, so I'll say it again. But I remember when I first started out, you were one of the few, like, ninjas, I knew at the time where I'm doing YouTube and doing it well. Like, you had your thing, and you would just always check in with me. Like, you'd be like, hey, I see your stuff. Look at this person's page, and like, you didn't even know me like that. You just like, you just tell, like, you just wanted people to grow. Like, you wanted, you saw, like, something in me, and you took the time to put in efforts to, like, check in. I didn't even realize until we met. I was just like scrolling through, I was like, how would you do it? You were going to really see a story of mine on a vlog, and you watch it. You take the time to watch it, and you come back and be like, this vlog could have done it this way, that way, that way, that way. And I could have now mind you guys on my feminist, and I can take it out and be like, why is this my, I was telling me on Saturday, I asked you for information, but you always did it in a way that made me feel comfortable and I was to be like, okay, you're not doing it because you think, like, you know, everything is more of like, oh, I've learned things I've gone through this. I want to teach you. And I also see, like, everything you said, I want to add that you also a teacher, like a lot of the videos you do, you teach people stuff along the way. Like, you always sharing your tips, your tricks, how you're packing, and even on short from content I do, you always doing that too. So add teachers to the list, because you have a course, like, you also share what you teach people, how to learn stuff. Oh, yeah, that's right. I'm a teacher. Yeah. I think I'm on that. I'm a whole professor. Professor of YouTube. Professor of YouTube. PhD. Oh, I said, that wasn't going to thumbnail. The professor of YouTube. What? PhD. PhD. PhD. PhD. You have to, you have to biology. That's true. Like, you have to, like, you have to, like, you've got to in it, and you see YouTube in a different lens, and all other people do. But anyways, we met in New York, and it was really cool, and I just, like, I think we connected, because the night when you and my producer don't know the whole hangout, say hangouts, we all hung out, and it was insane. Like, just three people in a room who are so passionate about content, just going in about, like, what can we do, how can we get to where one's good, what are the stories we can tell? And I feel like that was two years ago. Yeah. No, three years ago. Three years is crazy. Was it three years ago? Yeah. No, I got three years ago. Oh, dude. No, it's impossible. Was it really three years ago? Yeah, we met, um, 2022. Really? Yeah. I think. Oh, yeah, because this would be the third year. Yeah. Oh, sure. Guys, it was three years ago. Wow. But yeah, so we met three years ago. And I feel like the tie I know, and other people that were so happy that I met then, and now two very different people, but still at the core the same. Like, all the ideas we had were chasing them in different ways now. Yeah. I feel like we're, we're like growing in a way that I'm proud of. So I'm really proud of the group that we've seen so far. I'm proud of you too. I'm proud of the woman you've become. Oh, please. I am seriously. I am. Because I don't want to take compliments. I know. I know. It's okay. Yeah. I'm like, it's an off. Okay. Move it on. Um, I feel like to start, um, because I, you didn't mention me in a YouTube, and that's what we oftentimes talk about when we talk about you. I feel like YouTube has changed over time, right? So for you, like, I specifically just started like the travel's life, and I'm very nervous about it. Like very, very, very nervous. I don't know how you do. Well, you never was. Shots, man. This thing is a lot. Travel. Like, no, having a home base can be overwhelming, and it's a lot. So I grow to and I pack a lot. I just, I know you pack once this case, and that's it's, um, yeah, I, I do that. I'm trying to change. I'm trying to be like you. I'm learning from you. We're balancing each other. Yeah. We're balancing each other. I'm trying to be like you, but within the travel space, how has it changed since you started? Um, I think for me, when I started with YouTube back then, in terms of the travel, I, I didn't even start with travel, you know, yeah, I started with, I was into three hours on stuff, but when I started in the travel space, I didn't even know what I was doing. I was just making videos about where I was living, which was Lake Austin, here. And then I took my first trip, and, and then I was like, okay, I can do more of these, but traveling, you know, we don't know, but traveling is actually a lot of work. It's a lot of work. It's very stressful, especially if you have to do it as a, as, you know, traveling, traveling, what we don't, what we don't realize is that traveling for work is different from traveling that's, oh, I'm just traveling, like vacation, yeah, it's different, you know, I, it's very different. Have you, what else do you have a vacation in? I feel like you, you did it this summer. No. Yeah. I was actually, it was summer, yeah. I don't know, I didn't know. I went to my three-group, and I went to Albania. No, that was even count, because you still filmed those. I mean, like, I can't know, it's not possible. No, but off the grid, short form, you're only recording on your phone, no camera, you've done it. Yeah, that was this one. Oh, was it Negro? Yeah. You didn't record a far-bending like on your camera? I did. No, no, I didn't do any. I just phone, oh, this trip was just fun. Really? Yeah, I didn't film anything. You see, I didn't know that. Yeah, my first summer trip. I don't know. For all the time you were doing it before you go and go, what was that? I live in Portugal. It doesn't matter. You guys have a vacation in your own home. Okay, I'm just vibing there. But I feel it. Guys, that's how we talk. Probably this is really like less than what we can tell you. But yeah, okay. So travel is heavy, but I also noticed that too, because I realized when I was planning my trips, it was always for content. Like, it wasn't like, I was going to rest at any point. That's it. I was like, one, I'm going here, I need to send me a list of somewhere where you were trying to go to. And I was like, oh, this is the day. I was like, this is this, this is this restaurant here. This one, I'm like, ah, calm down. I'm learning. It's not, but it's good. Well, it's like the, is it like maybe the things I want to do on a trip you wouldn't want to do? Because like, I would want to do the restaurant restaurants, honestly, no, that's what I feel the same thing. I want to go, like, I want to go hiking and all that stuff, I want to go to the lake. It's pretty similar. It's pretty similar. You're very similar. Like, I just recontent too. I was a similar and I was like, oh yeah, twin. You know, I like him. I like him. I like him here. No, I was like, no, ah. Okay, you have a lot. You have here. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I have hair guys. I hate silence. No, I have hair. You have hair. Oh, but it's your silence. Oh, okay, that's why there's white space over there. Yeah, you see? No, that's the way. You don't see it? I flip it, let me see. Oh, I'll tell you. Yes, I have hair guys. Okay, um, I'm going to start talking about Nomad Diaries because I think I guess well, my folks have known for for my vlog channel. Okay. And just essentially like learning how to travel on the go. What do we do? Like your first thing, your tip for me as a Nomad. Stay alive. If, if it really? Yeah. Okay, besides that, I'm going to have hope so. I hope to be alive. Okay. That you need for a trip. Yeah, like for like being a Nomad in general, like starting a fresh cause. Okay. So you know the story, but I'm going to say for the vlog, um, I put all my stuff in storage and I literally have my two suitcases and myself and I want to travel. And I'm showing you my bucket list. Have I told you my bucket list? Yeah. I'm showing you my bucket list. What I want to do. Well, because you've already talked about this. But what was your first advice to me besides staying alive and equipment to use? I think it's just be having an open mind. Um, having an open mind generally like to the world. As I am now, I can, I can sleep in a $1,000 apartment or hotel today. And tomorrow, I can sleep in a $30 shack or somewhere. If I need to, if I, if I'm traveling because just like you did it, actually, you went to a hostel. Oh, yeah. I did a hostel trip the other day. So it's just having an open mind and not being, and that's why it's just some specific types of people. People are all in such an adventure that can literally become Nomads. Because being a Nomad is like, you're literally living all the conveniences of your life in like a house or whatever. I'm going on the road. And if you went to Kenya today, or you went to Nigeria, or you went to Costa Rica, you know, they're all different places. So what you might experience, they might be different in terms of food, where you're going to have to stay, to sleep, all of that. So I would say just have an open mind. And I think the second one would just be like, most of you probably meet actually out to help you. So you have a good, you have a good feel of the world. I've seen you interact with people. Yeah. And I don't understand. Is it like, is it because like you're a guy? Is it because you're just like confidence? Because you're kind of these people's asses. Yeah, but like you seem so, I would feel nervous, like going on a trip so low. And like going to see a random person like, oh, my God, hi. Like, can I go X, Y, Z here? You just like, oh, bro. Yeah, yes. You're number. Oh, yeah. Next year, I'm coming. Oh, yeah. Okay. Fine. Yeah. I called them and they were like, show up. And like, you tore the country or the place. Yeah. And people like, how do you get over the fear? I wouldn't say I have any fear specifically. I just get, I actually get, but you know what's interesting? I get nervous before every trip. You do. I get nervous before every trip. I'm like, okay, everything going to go as planned. Okay. Actually, if it's a content trip, if I'm, if it, and that's why it's like, when you say nomad, there are two types of nomad. They are who are just traveling just for traveling. Take this on a go. You're documenting it. But we are documenting. It's different because everywhere you go, you need content. You want to meet people. You want to capture that content. So I think for me is just like, I get nervous to some times. But at the end of the day, I also realize that this person is a human being. Yeah. If I want to talk to me too. And even if the person doesn't want to talk to you, that's fine. Yeah. Talk to the next person. That's so many. It's a billion people in this world. That is true. So I feel like I just, I get nervous a bit about it too. But I also think like the way. What do you do with anyway though? Yeah. I don't have a chance. I want to make this one. I want to make you two money. You want to money separate sky. You want to make you two for money? Yes. Wait. I don't think that's following your passion. Of course. Making money. No. So I feel like with travel, like I get nervous about it in many ways. Because when I see you interact with people, I'm like, how do you know the story then? Like, how do you know the story to tell? And I will tell you an example. So when I was in Scotland, I hung out with a group of people. And we got to this distillery and they were just like. And the price here is the biggest distillery in the world. It was done and done. And they were like, oh, they're doing the tayo, I know. Because. Because in many ways, like you just have a way you speak. The tayo, I know. Yeah, but where you speak where you're like, and this is why this is doing this and that. So how do you. How do you know the story before you? Do you know it before you start? Do you know it in the middle? Do you know at the end? Do you script things before? What does it look like? So most times, one of the best ways to get to know the story of a place is just ask the people. So for example, we're currently in Atlanta. And when I first came here, I met up with some people and they were like, one of the people I was speaking with said, I think it was L.D. It was like, oh, Atlanta is one of the cities that has the most green cover. That's the most amount of trees everywhere in the US. And I realized, yeah, it has like 30% coverage or 40% coverage. So there's a lot more trees here, at least compare it to where you're from. Where is the inner New York? I love trees. We have Central Park. So it has a lot of trees. So I was like, okay, that's actually interesting. It's a city that has a lot of trees in it. So that's talk with me. So when next, I'm talking about a place where I'm talking to my video. It's like, yeah, Atlanta has this. And I think for me, I also do some, I do a little bit of research about a place before I go sometimes. I don't do research. When I do research, the video turns out better. So I just have like blood points. I watch a video of the place on YouTube. And then I pick out interesting things about the place. Because every place has something that is either interesting about them. So that's kind of like how I get to know about places. But in terms of the actual video where you watch the video, I want to have. After the video is done, then we go back and we sit down right. Full script, full research. And then because for me, what's one of making a video if you're not going to educate people? I think for me, when it comes to content, there are three things that you're probably looking to do. Either it's education now or it's entertainment. So it's entertaining or it's inspiration now. All content that you ever watch falls into any of those three buckets. So for me, I like to stick a lot more to the entertainment and educational space more. Because I feel like, yeah, if you watch my video and you can come away with something that I've done my job. So that's it. I'm just curious. I'm also a very curious person. You are. See, my issue is I don't think I fit into a three. But I do know I find you do fit into three. Let me explain. You're inspiring your educational and you're also entertaining. I will see. Let me explain. So I feel like I can be entertaining. Yes. Right. But I think with inspiration, you need to know how to tell your story correctly to breed inspiration. So for example, there's a video you did with the San kids passport. Yeah. You do just come on and say, I have a passport. Here it is. You told the story from the beginning to inspire other people to get to the journey. Yeah. Got to. I've not like, I got my green card. And I remember thinking, oh, shit, man. It's a story around this. Like, I finally got my US green card. Here it is. I might try to do something with my American passport when I do get it. Not going to would. But like, that's something I was thinking about. Like, you're very intentional about sharing the story well. And I've seen you in edit mode in the background. Like, you're very careful. So does that take practice? Does that take time? Is it something that you've always just been? You've always been very careful from, you know, you were just like shooting at the beginning. And now you're here. That's a good question. Thanks. I think, um, I would say I've been like this from the beginning because there was not writing all the shoots. There was not writing all the edits. There was not writing on the stand all of the stands. But from just years of practice, years of watching people, years of learning. I realized that every story needs to have, you know, this is three acts structure to every story. Set up conflict resolution. If you're telling a story about somebody who is trying to achieve something. And then you just tell them that, oh, this guy was here. He wanted to achieve. He was broke. And then, oh, yes, suddenly, oh, he just, you know, he just made the windfall of money, won the lottery or whatever. And then, oh, now he's rich. That's not really like an interesting story. If you just tell it like, okay, this guy was, yeah, what's so interesting about that? But when you tell the story of the person who had all these baby bad things happen to them. And then they had to overcome those things. The overcoming is the interesting part. That's why watch movies. That's why when you watch movies, you're like, oh, wow. Like, you watch, oh, you hear about something like Nelson Mandela. Why is this so big? Why is Nelson Mandela such a big figure today? It's because of all the things they asked to go to. You went to prison. You did all of these. And then eventually, she came out on top and helped move his country out of, you know, appetite and all of that. So there needs to be a conflict in your story. If you just be like, oh, if you're just like, oh, you meet somebody who is like, maybe like a rich kid who just grew up in like a rich home. And then, yeah, they have rich. But you tell somebody who came all the way from somewhere in Ajay Gunle or somewhere in Lagos and then the person is like a superstar. Someone like Ashakena. Someone like Bonaboy, even like all these guys that I've tried out with kid, all of them. Even David do. Like trying, like, starting from somewhere and going through stuff and getting to where you're going to, conflict literally makes the story, like the story of everybody better. So I was always finding ways to add in conflict into my stories. Like the conflict of today now is like, it was traffic. But we still made it. And now I hear, and I'm sitting now beside you. Well, I tell them we left where you supposed to leave to come. We left actually. We left early enough. But there was an accident. They're not called to tell you. But you told me. You told me. You told me and said also three rights. No, if you were, you're still a Linux mall at 130. I don't leave you. I don't leave you. I was supposed to leave you. That was Derek. The way I just said, I don't leave you. Like all this way of saying, I don't leave you. I don't leave you now. So I don't know. I didn't know. I thought. I don't weigh in the USOV. So there's no traffic. I didn't know I'd learn about traffic issues. Okay. I have to say so. All right. So as a creator, what is the one piece of gear equipment that you know that like, if anybody's like, I want to start here, what would you suggest to you? Where would I want to start? I'm going to say. From the best camera is the one yours. I have with you. Yeah. The best camera is the one you want you have with you. The one your pockets, do you think I could? I feel like so. I just upgraded my phone. My camera. Can I see? Throw marks. Okay. No, I'm getting it though. You gonna get it? Why are you getting it? I don't know. Okay. So there's a phone that I have the first time. Gustaf. Okay. Well, you get it. Yeah. I'm not going to get the same for 16 already. So I was like I'm going to get it. 17. I want. It's not a competition. Yeah, I reached my collection. Yes, I'm rich. Sit in man. Amen. Hey, it's all hard for you guys. Why is this all hard for you, man? To collect company. I'm learning guys. I'm not learning a lot better than your last year. I don't know how to say compliments. It's just thing. Okay, so last week, because right, the time this episode comes out, it will be last week. Okay. My journey is in Independence Day. It took me first. This episode comes out after. Oh, really? Yeah, so I had Justin in Justin UG and any cash. Okay. So I actually want to tell you something. So I think that you are one of the only close platonic male friends that I have that is very, very masculine and macho. Everybody else is like a cricket. Oh, wow. I didn't make sense. So I wonder why this life life struggles. Because I feel like it's so cool. So like we'll talk about being Nigerian and Independence Day in a second or especially for the passport reasons. Because I feel like we are not travel restrictions, but anybody does. But I thought about that because I could think of on my hand the five guys who are most good group with women around and all these things. But you're a very like traditional African man. Am I traditional? I'm very, very, very traditional. I know you're very traditional. How am I traditional? What are traditional? I mean, I just mean you embody the traditions. Oh, you're a traditional. And bodywork tradition. You don't think you're a traditional man? I don't know what those traditional. I can't say I'm something. If I don't even know what it means. So I feel like in my tradition, it just means like for me it's like it feels like somebody who's like, oh, you are like set in a specific. Because tradition is something that has been done. That's been done. I would say you are set in some ways. You say I'm set in some ways. Yes. You don't think so. What kind of way does it be set in some ways? Now, if you know what you love, then you know when you come back. Give me a good example of something. I feel like you're like a I don't know what I'm going to ask how to do this. Nelson, can we pass? What is your name again? How's Julian? Do you mind a second? I have a phone in that purse. It has a pink sticky thing behind it. Yes, the green one. It's like stuck on something probably. Yes, please. Yes, thank you. What are you from? I like your accent. I'm from Florida. Oh, I think Florida is. You know, we're talking about travel. I actually went to Fisterig on like a solo journey mission for like eight or nine months. Oh, what's that? Eight nine months? That's crazy. Not just that one's that one's that one's that Wow. I only said a grand in a half the whole time. I was there for seven months. Tell me Well, that's what I was trying to do, but I feel like I'm too old for that now. I'm not like people look at my life. You need a life. But that was one of my things I wanted to do was I was going to go to Switzerland because I'm trying to say that it's like really expensive to travel in. So I was like, I'm going to do those people who go there to volunteer and like hostels and stuff and they can like go there for free, still explore, but like they just work for their pay. Would you be doing it for the vibe? Because I know you can't afford to go to Switzerland. I wouldn't do that. She has money. Don't mind that. If she wants to, she doesn't have money. She has money. She's a rich woman. Okay. I've seen you about the time. I go about the traditional Nigerian man because I'm going to get it. You see my words. Not true. I don't see a long ago. He has it. Have you? If I were told me. All right. So court trace of a traditional Nigerian man. I can discuss where both things you're in. Provider and protector. You see, it's about the financially supporting your family and making tough decisions. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And respect an authority. You want to come out and respect in your home and community. You're big on that. Yeah. Who doesn't want that? Hardworking and ambitious. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I said was a bad thing. Okay. I don't know. Yeah. That feels like, no, it's because it's my tune of voice. Okay. Great traditional man. It feels that feels like what every man should aspire to be. That's what I meant. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I'm a traditional man. Thank you. And I only bring that up because I know most people who I'm friends with don't oftentimes skew that way. I'm like, tell you why. Like, it was one time we were at a party and I was hearing you talk about relationship context and stuff like that. And it was just so different from what I was used to with the guys in my life because they were all, I don't want to say they're babies, but I don't also explain this properly. You need to change the guys that you know, no, no, I enjoy the diversity of opinions. I feel like men come in different shifts and sizes and men talk about. They actually do. Right. I'm keeping that in the video. I keep it now. Guys. So essentially, I'm saying that I've said I didn't say this for a reason. So I enjoy that through like, you found your success despite the traditional routes. That's how I want to explain that. Like in many ways, living in our culture, their certain boxes they put men in and put women in. And I think for you, I've seen how much you just, you're so low living your life, you're moving, you're traveling to different places. You don't, you know, you don't fit that box, but you also do. Does that make sense? Like your career world and your personal life are very separate, very, very intentional about that. Yeah. All that story I just said, the question I was going to ask is why? I don't know. I think, I think even while I was living in while I was in Nigeria, while I was growing up, I always had this, you know, I always had this perspective that I was going to do something where it was not going to be like something conventional. Like I knew it was never going to be a 95. And I knew it was something that I was going to have to do with traveling to world. I've said this thing before and I was a second to school that I would like to have a job where I get to travel to world. But I didn't know what that job was because I didn't think back then being a YouTube hours was a thing. And back then, I didn't even know anybody like YouTube was, I didn't have a phone server. That was what you done. I didn't have any of that. So but I just knew that, yeah, I wanted to see the world. And I don't know how I found myself eventually. I know I found myself sharing YouTube, but I think having that and then also growing up in Nigeria, growing up in Lagos, on that the parents I grew up with my parents are both civil servants. So I think maybe that probably shaped me how I grew up on my environment, growing up in Lagos, Nigeria, kind of like ship me into what I am today. But also I just know that when I was in school and when I was young, the way I used to think and what I used to do was not was kind of like different from a lot of other people that I knew. Yeah. You know, I'm always always just very nerdy. Like I was curious about stuff. Oh, there's no, oh, why this stuff is this way, you know, like, oh, why is it that way? And I used to question a lot of things too. And I should also spend time alone myself to look a lot. So he kind of like helps me or help me think and just kind of like help me ship my brain in a way that I don't even know the answers to that question. You know, I'm actually trying to, I'm trying to figure it out. Why? Cause that's such a deep question. It's like, why are you, why are you what you are? That's such a deep question. I want to add more to it now because one of our biggest fights guys was because of how you thought ran out. It makes it because you're like, we think it will find someone. I think when we met, I get through with the back of your head on that TV though. Yeah, it's a test. It's good. So you know, you know, you know, I'm like, okay, he's hitting. That points to something about you. What you just did now. Do you know? Really? Yeah. Cause it's like, oh, oh, this is sharp. Okay, let me try it out to see how sharp it is. So now I know how far you know, okay, it's not going to hurt me so much. So you run into danger. That's the kind of person you are. You're adventurers. That's what you did now. Yeah, you know, one of the things you did that was actually really, cause she's so scared of heights. When I went to New York, I took her on a helicopter, open door helicopter, over Hudson River. And she was there. She was screaming. Well, that's what I was just put that leg outside. I was like, well, that's facing your fears. That's sure. I'm part of you. Thanks. I'll say my top five. It was because I think I have a huge community. And I move very, very like communal. And when I first met her, I was so low, I moved by myself personally. And I think we flipped now. Cause I feel like now you're in the space where you're actually finding people and you're building people and you're growing people and like, you're looking more like, well, I won't actually go out with multiple people. I wanted to have my birthday and not do it alone. I want to be with someone. And it's like group, group hangout essentially. And I'm like, in the moon, I don't want anybody around me. I want to go solo. I want to do my solo travel. So like, I used to fight him. Cause I'll be like, you're so selfish. You don't have time for anybody. I'll say, always thinking about your work. So what changed? Well, it was like eight because they're almost 50. So was it anything? I was 50. What? They know I definitely don't live 50. I'm still, I'm, I still look like I'm 20 something. No, no, guys, he's only, he's only 40. Okay. I'm not 40 by the way. That's only. Google, Google, Google, my, do you see how much of a flex that is? Oh, Google me. They can't Google me up. Please don't Google me. Well, no, they really don't have the bannabases. I think, I think it was just, well, obviously, I think a part of it is growing up. And just also understanding that life is better lived with, you know, people. Like when you're on your dead bed, people, what you remember, we don't even be the things you have to be just more or less the relationships you had with people. And like how, you know, just your family, like people, your loved ones, that's what you were thinking about. So for me, it's just like I realized that, and it's not like I didn't realize it before, but I have to go through that stage to get to where I'm at now. Because sometimes, you know, you can't, you have to find your own part and figure it out for yourself. And for me, a lot of that became me doing stuff solo. Because the only thing about traveling is the solo journey. Imagine my work is to travel. I can't wait for anybody to be like, okay, what's your plans? Like I have to just take my bag and go, if not, I'm not going to do, I'm not going to get anywhere if I'm waiting for people. So I think travel is, and I think the more you travel, I think that's also why you're becoming more solo-ish. Because the more you travel, the more you realize that, oh, you know, I can't go anywhere in the world and I don't really need anybody. And that is also powerful. And I can have fun by myself by exploring. So the more you do it, the more you're like, yeah, you just keep doing the money, it makes you a more of a solo person. But now, I think this is, I just want to, I want to build more relationships with people and I want to do more stuff that is more communal. Because I don't want to be remembered as a guy who was just, you know, solo traveling alone. That's not fun. It's also more fun with friends with the right people. You know, the right people with the right people. Specifically the right people. Because the wrong people can make your life. Just trust your outs, please. Okay, so we're both Nigerian. Am I? You know, I'm half Nigerian. Let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, but what you're also but I think one of the biggest things that people know about you is like, I'm Nigerian by the way. Yes, I'm very Nigerian. But you got a passport to travel more. Yeah. And I started traveling when I got my American green card. Because then I could travel more places too. Yeah. So access is a big thing for us as travel creators. Well, you as a traveler for me as an aspiring travel creator. So tell us about that journey because you've said it a few times. But what led to the, this is the decision I'm going to make. Was there like an instance where you're at an airport and you say, fuck y'all, I'm never doing this shit again. Yeah, it was several airports. It was a mix of many things. I think one thing, but what book the commerce back was when I was trying to get to Dubai, I had this conference. I was meant to go for, I was invited. I just speaker. That big yeah. Yeah. With all the big creators that I always wanted to see. Kissing nice starts was there who is like one of the big creators that I used to watch and started out. Not daily. Yeah. It was not so many to us. Yeah, that was actually created by Nass, Nass daily. So I just wanted to go and then it denied me like twice and I've been to Dubai before. So I'm like, like, why would you deny me? I've been to Dubai like twice before then. And then it denied me just because I was Nigerian. And before then, I had issues in Ethiopia, even in Africa, in South Africa, then Idaho, in my passport or deny me or harass me or stuff like that. So I think when that happened, I was like, so this is how a big opportunity I'll be looking for to get would calm my way. And because I don't have access to this place, I'm going to miss out on this. Never. So from there on, my major goal in life was how can I, you know, how can I break out of that? How can I create, you know, get a passport or something that would allow me access to the world? Because for me, my biggest goal in life, what I'm chasing literally every day I wake up is freedom. I'm not chasing like, I'm not trying to buy the latest car. I'm not trying. I just want freedom, freedom to be wherever I want to be whenever I want to be with whoever I want to be doing whatever I want to do. That's literally my life's goal. Yeah. So for me, getting that passport was like, when I saw the opportunity, like, oh, okay, you need to just save up, I think it was $1,000, $50,000 then save up that and buy a passport. So that's what I did. I just did that and was able to get the passport. And now I'm here. So crazy. Right. And that's crazy. It's like when I was brainstorming for this episode, the first quote that I said or I saw was like, if I could buy my freedom, I would too. Because I was writing it down. It was more about like, because I was writing about the passport thing. And it even stuck with me too. Because I'm like, people don't understand how, they don't understand how restrictive. So an example of that, you know, this was earlier this year, my plan, I talked about this thing for months. Like, if you met me in general, suddenly, I was going to backpack across Europe in summer. Yeah. Like I had it all planned out. I was going to do this this way. I planned for my show again, visa. And then this said it was inadmissible. Error of I'm in calendar days. But even besides, I was like, I don't think that was the reason why. But I just know that, you know what, it's fine. And I remember I got, I'd go in so confident. Because everywhere I'd gone to before, I'd dependent on my green card to go in there. And I've been sort of plain as safe of my American green card can take me there. I can do that. And then the shingan thing happened. I say, you know what? It's fine. I can go to London. I'll be okay. And then I get to London. And we're supposed to be going to Montenegro and me and my friend Shire to get to the airports. I can't fly because they said they literally remember they looked at my Nigerian passport. And these girls, oh, you have an Nigerian passport. Oh, you're sorry, you can't go. And I said, no, I have more than an Nigerian passport. I have my green card, I have a UK visa. I give them all the things they're just like, no, just focus on an Nigerian passport. And it just reminded me again of the limitations. Like, even if it was written everywhere on the embassy page and anything like that, because of maybe the stories that passport holds to. Yeah. That's a huge impact on your situation. I want to remember that is Dubai and I just said, I think, middle Nigerians, I don't know, allowed into the country anymore. Yeah, I think Doha also did. Doha also did that too. So imagine your story is already being set because of the passport you're holding. No matter how hard working you are, no matter who's telling you to come, no matter who's buying your ticket, they're like a company you're working for. So I think it folks in my head heavy and I also feel sort of guilty. I don't know if you feel love. I probably know, but I often times feel guilty. I'm like, there's so many Nigerians who I know are pioneers who are doing the things the right way, who will not be afforded opportunities, because they're Nigerian. Will you say guilty or you feel sad? Both. Because guilty is like, it's not a fault. Yeah, but I don't feel guilty. I don't feel sad and I feel annoyed. I think I feel more annoyed than anyone's that I agree with anything. I feel angry more like at the policies that the governments that they could do to make stuff better. I feel angry also at the people who went out there and like, can you call some of your podcasts? I hear. I feel angry at people who went and fucked up the passport. That's why I think for me, whenever I travel anywhere, I try to be a good example. So now when you see me and you're like, and I realize that thing is like, imagine you're going to Albania for the first time and let's say for example, you're one of the first Nigerians or the first time somebody's encountering in Nigerian. However you behave to that person, it takes exactly how they would just be like, oh, Nigerian people are nice or Nigerian people are crap. Yeah. So for me, I would try to say the good example in whatever country I go to, to just make sure that's you know, like I'm doing something good actually. So that's sure. Great, a good image for the country. In other times, I've been told, oh my god, you're Nigerian, I would have never thought that you're so nice or you're so quiet. So you know, as loud, I'm just looking at them. I'm like, oh, I could be any of these things. But like we're not monolith, but that's what travel does also show you that the people you interact with on these trips define like your experience with that sort of group of people too. So that's definitely true. So now you have a San Keith passport, given Nigerian passport, you live in Portugal, you travel to Nigeria, you're currently in Atlanta. My question to you is, how are you able to do all these things and keep your sanity in? How do you keep relationships? How do you like live life? Who said I was saying? It's a lot of work. I think, I think we're talking about it earlier today. I was talking about it with Nelson. I was, you know, asking me about like balance and stuff. And it's, to be honest, I really don't have an answer to that question. I'm just, I'm literally just going some days, I'm tired, some days, I don't want to wake up. Like I wasn't Houston, like how many days ago filming back to back all true. And I was so tired, but I started to wake up the next day, I'm like, okay, you need to get stuff done. You need to get stuff done. So I just keep pushing and there's no sanity in this kind of business line. There's no sanity in this line. If you want that sanity, go ahead and identify it. Even then, even as some nice results will show you sugar products. Well, true. So I was talking to Justin and any examples of like, look, so Nigerian American creators, and I think you're a global creator. That's why I think I categorize you as, right? You are the top black creator, it's a different travel in the travel space in the world. Do you know that? Yeah, I know that sometimes. Sometimes. No, it's all the time. Like on your ship. I think about it sometimes. And I'm like, yeah, that's true. Actually. Yeah. Like if you, if you look around for a lot of like black men who travel who have the amount of following, you do, it's not a lot. It's probably maybe five to 10 people. Yeah. They're black men who are doing it. And then if you take away like, no, honestly, travel, there's nobody. Yeah, that's how it's trying to be nice. No, no, don't be nice. How's that time? Well, we'll have that time because you have to see that at the end when you talk your shit, by the way. Okay, no, you ready for shit. I might too lie. You're going to be, I might too lie. You're going to say, I might say, if I see, I'm like, the baddest travel, go to the, like, you gotta do that. Oh, I gotta do that. Okay. No, I'll try you now. I'm going to. You breathe. I did my body. Well, me and Justin are two Nigerian American creators, well, I like the culture, all of us as, and they talk about like the hustle brand deals, doing YouTube, doing content, creating stuff for yourself. But you, I don't know, tire you, do your own by yourself. Yeah. And like, you create all these emotions by yourself. I get tired of it because I'm like, it feels like I'm shouting to people. We talk about this often between each other. Yeah. I like when we're trying to sell ourselves to American brands, just global brands, it just feels like they don't see division that we see. Yeah. So how do you just say, fuck it and continue to do what you're doing? I believe in creating opportunities for yourself. I believe in, I believe because literally building on YouTube has just taught me that, you know, the more, the more work you're able to put in the more you're able to kind of like grow and have more opportunities because YouTube is like, think about it. I started with zero subscribers. Yeah. So when it comes to making YouTube videos, or even just doing anything in general, every video you make might not work out. Some videos you do, they'll work out, someone will work out. I think it's also the same thing to it's when it comes to creating opportunities. Just trying multiple things. So for example, one of the, let me give you an example of when I say creating opportunities, there's this series I started on my channel called the Made in Africa, which was interviewing CEOs. So I did the first one. The first person I did was a mechanic in South Africa. I did a video. People liked it. And then from there, I created a series out of it. And through that series, I've been able to meet some of the richest people in the world, like billionaires. People that have like real estate tycoons, like people even reached out to me themselves, because I created something of value. So I believe, actually, I think that's the answer to that question, because I was saying it, I mean, opportunities, creation of options for yourself is just about figuring out what people are going to find valuable and then creating that thing. And then it's always best to make people come to you rather than you chasing people. So you create something that people want, you know, create something that is of value and people will come to you themselves instead of you chasing people. So that's kind of like how I go about it, basically. Perfect. Okay. So we're going to get into some things that you have to pick. That's where that's pretty simple. We're going to play this on that. Yeah, fun stuff. What does the tattoo on your hand mean, by the way? The dinosaur or the sunflower? Well, you have a dinosaur. Yeah, it's got it. Like last year or a year ago, I never go. Oh, really? Yeah. I didn't know what this one I said. I always get tattoos. We're like no one, I feel like I'm getting tiny, tiny tattoos. See this one? This is the tattoo. People see it. Why do you get in circles? I don't want to see it. Why? Because I'm a model. Okay. Sign me. Because I do argue with that. It's okay as well. What else do I say to that? Okay. So this or that, we're going to play this or that with Mr. I know here. Mr. I know. I thought I saw like an old man. I know. A long haul flights versus a long road trip. A long haul flight versus a long road trip. It depends on who is in the flight or who is in the economy. People like this pissed me off. Do you hear what I said? I said this or that. I don't ask if we need to know so. No, but, but nothing is in a vacuum. That's the context. That's the context. Zero context. If you have to choose a flight or a road trip. Even don't wear it. There are many dependencies. Think about it. It will trip across Europe and it flights from even from Europe to America. I would rather do. I would rather do it will trip across Europe. It will trip across Africa. Maybe from West Africa. It will trip across South Africa. Yes. So it just depends. Okay. A flight on Singapore Airlines first class all the way to New York. Okay. That's a little flight. Okay. Or a road trip across Australia. We'll trip across Australia. This is what I mean. There's opportunities there. Yeah, but you see this specific. You have specific. Okay. A flight from Nigeria to South Africa. Yeah. Or a road trip from Lagos to Abuja. The flight for sure. I would never. I'm not in any way to be in Nigeria. Okay. Solar travel versus group travel. I think I'll do the group travel now. Because I'm doing a lot of solar travel. Guys, we wanted to do group travel for so long. I need to hire like a bunch of creators. We look at these answering our DMs. So if you're watching this, are you a creator? Go to your DM and see if it DMed you. If you're not well. You know what I've come to realize about this group trade theme? It's like, whoever is ready to go, just go. You don't remember what is ready? Who do we know is ready? You already know. And I'm ready. No, but I need more. No, you get more when you get more as we start to go. You can't find one one or that person. So it's three people. They will go. What do you think it's cool? Let's actually do a shameless plug now that we think. What do I need to do? More you'll be a vibe. More you're the guy. Yeah. More you're. More you're London. London. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Five for sure. It's not more you're a girl that can travel. Hey girl that can travel. I will you know your girls on the internet? Let me see. That travel. Travel. I think a lot of people traveling is the people I know they're traveling is mostly luxury travel. That's my issue too. Because a lot of times that I look at luxury, it's really for people who look like us. That's the commissions even be hard too. It's a lot of luxury travel. Because when I see black girls doing luxury travel, I just, it's not relatable. It's aspirational, but it's not relatable. Why don't you why didn't you fall into that space of dream luxury travel? I look like a luxury idea. I'm a luxury bad. That's the same reason I left New York. Like, I don't enjoy the rat race. Right? Yeah, if you left New York, like, I left New York, I was like, I left my apartment. Oh, okay. So I feel like here's a thing about like, this is very, very, very broad in general. So don't take this entire word that I'm saying. Take it. Well, I guess it. But as a black woman to be successful, most of the time mainstream black women have to be aspirational because within our people, the concept of beating all odds to get to where they are is an achievement in itself. Does that make sense? So when the normal black girl exists as a normal black girl, I don't care about your relatability because we're in the same line. When you get to the level where I want to aspire to be, now I want to enjoy that content because it's like an escapism. That's why Nigeria has a lot of comedy involved because people want to laugh. They want to be inspired. They want to feel like, oh, this is entertainment. On the flip side of that is black girls would like to do like the hostel thing or the train thing. They're singular. They're like, oh, yeah, sure I could do that. But why would I choose that when I can aspire to go see a luxury yacht that I can enjoy and do all these things with like the solo travel experiences that go into all these places? Now for me, that's no my cup of tea. I want to show people that you can find joy and happiness at every level that you are. No matter what it is. I enjoy it. You know me. I enjoy it. I enjoy it a good time. I enjoy my delta one lounge. I enjoy my steak and pasta. I enjoy it. I don't do really luxury bags and shit. I enjoy a nice car. A nice apartment. I know how to spoil myself. I'm putting on trips. I know how to spoil myself. But I also know how to enjoy and experience for what it is. Me saying I want to backpack across Europe. I want to sleep in hostels, talk to people, meet people, just learn past myself. I want to jump off a fucking grand can and I want to road trip across it. Not in like a breakdown RV and figure out what that experience looks like. I just want to do things that if I didn't have any burden on my shoulder, I would still do it for the fun of it. Because I do think that when I see young white creators having fun and traveling, it's from a level of I want to see the world. Yeah. Like it's nothing else but I want to see the world. Yeah. And for our people, it's like, I want to build because I've saved up all this money. It better be worth it. Yeah, but I think it also points to I think I agree with you and I also understand that very well. I think we're going to go deeper. It also comes from where we're coming from. Yeah. Because think about it, it's like a lot of people have come from a lot of like suffering. You know, they've had to deal with a lot of stuff to get to where they're at. So for them, it's like, okay, now that I've arrived here, you know, I need to enjoy it and I need to be dispensing and I need to, you know, just leave these locks real life style. And also some people is also too short to show the other. I'm now here at the top of this mountain. So it's a mix of money. It's a mix of many things. And it's not like it's bad. It's just life. It's just like just what it is. As a traveler, I realize now to go see the Eiffel Tower is nice. But if you get the Eiffel Tower, you take picture you're done. That's what the experience and the story is what changes people. So for example, I can go to the Eiffel Tower, take the photo in my fancy dress, do fun tea, champagne, that's fine. But imagine if I'm staying in a hostel in Paris. So I'm going with a group of friends. After the Eiffel Tower, we go and meet a person who's friend, she then takes me to their house. And then there's this whole story about my experience there that just does not just my tab because you know what I mean? So I think that's the difference. There are people who travel. That's called, I think for me, that's what I call it, traveler. You're somebody who travels. And it's who who just go for vacation. So there are different types of travelers. So somebody like you who wants to go hiking, go, because people, I mean, what do you see? They say they are traveling. They are going hiking. Like people that look like us. They don't just want to go to a nice fancy hotel. Some who go to a resort in, let's see, Puntakana or something. And they'll stay in the resort troughs. They won't go anywhere. They will relate to the locals. Yeah. The best part sucks. Puntakana was when I left and I was actually outside hanging out with the locals asking them what their favorite spot was. What it was, see what was playing on the TV. Oh, I mean, I mean, a different world. And it's like fun. It's engaging. It's definitely different. I see that for sure. That's the, I think that's what me I search for whenever I go to a place. I'm always looking for local authentic experiences. Because for me, I want to know that, oh, you know, I went to Albania. I drank their vodka and I tried out their beer and I spoke to some local person and then he told me about this and that. Because the locals are the ones that will really give you the real authentic vibe of the country. Because if you go to imagine, if all the results are across the world, they are almost very similar. Yeah. Like you get the same thing, the same thing inside. So I was sent out a lot before. But so I was looking at my travel history for last year. And I went to Boer-Bura, the Maldives, the Four Seasons. I went to canoeing Island. I went to British Virgin Islands. I went to, I think in third Bahamas. So I went to like, I mean, like Kalner Island is like billionaires Island. That's where billionaires have yachts and stuff. And someone was asking, like, oh, it's like, where else do you want to go now? Where are the dreams? And I realized, I'm actually not interested. Like, I've seen, like if you've gone to Boer-Bura and the Maldives, you've seen it. You've seen the overall water bungalow. You swam with sharks. I've swam with sharks. I have gone on a private jet, to the Boer-Bura. Shout out to Brandy. Shout out to Tarkas Medics. Like, I've done that. And it was a great time. I'm so grateful for it. But my Edinburgh trip just in Scotland there. The way, like, that was a lot more fulfilling experience for me. I enjoyed the Boer-Bura. But like, I also, like, the billionaires Island was through. It was the same sand and beach on the sun. Shining on my boat. But I wonder what I would have looked like if I went to Boer-Bura by met someone who was local Polynesian. What story I could tell. Yeah. Enjoy Boer-Bura still. Those are going to be, like, once election opportunities, provocation. But to travel, I realize I want more. I want to see more. I want to talk to more people because I feel like I'm a richer human being too if I do do that. You definitely, I think, I definitely agree what you said. And for me, you know, when I think about travel, like, just like what you said about, like going to all the nice beaches and seeing stuff, you get, once you see it a lot of times, you get bored. Yeah. Like me, I've traveled to places and I'm like, I don't feel like doing anything because when I think about it, it's actually for me who I do, I have fun for work. Yeah. Like that's literally what people are doing for vacation is what I'm doing. So if I go to this country, I'm looking for a chopper, I'm looking for this experience or that experience because I need content. Yeah. So when you do that so many times, you go to this beach or you go to that beach. It's like, okay, why do I have to go again? So the only thing that would be different is the people you meet and then express the gift to you. So like what you said exactly, it does make you a richer person. I also want to say, can we go to that gorilla thing? I want to go so bad. We want that gorilla track that you go tracking with gorillas and go and sit down and take picture with them. Oh, yeah. That's cool. I'm actually done. Let's do it. I've got a name video. I've been asking all my friends, and no one wants to come with me. I'm down to go for the gorilla. $7,500 for the entire thing. Why would I be saying $5,000 for the gorilla? It helps them with that. It helps them with the habitat. Why? It helps them with the habitat. Like he keeps them alive. But I've seen gorillas. No, no, I see you will see this once. I've seen them. Why would they be with them with the bush? I've seen them in Portugal. We have gorillas in Portugal. No, but they in cages. Yeah, they're in that enclosure. Yeah, no, no, no, no. I'm telling you, this ones are like you're going deep, you're hiking into the forest. What's the why? It's like you're going to sit in with the babies. Why? Why? Yeah. Why would I want to see? It doesn't look like fun to me. It's like going to a safari. Why are you going to see the zebra's alive? I'm going to see a log, a plethora of animals, different types of animals. I'm going to see a lion. You're going to see them. Moving on. This is that. Backpacking versus luxury luggage. Like carrying a lot of stuff. Backpacking for sure. Yeah, your backpacker. Airbnb versus hotel. Man, it depends. But I think these days, it depends. It actually depends. If I'm going to reach friends, I'm never playing this game with this one. Airbnb's, if I'm just going to learn hotels most likely. Yeah. Because yeah, yeah, actually don't like Airbnb's. I don't really like you if you want to sponsor me, because I can't be a pasta. There's no play. I think I used to like Airbnb a lot. I used to do Airbnb's every time. But then I started doing hotels. I realized that one hotel's, you know, I can go downstairs, you know, tell us whatever time and no, no, whatever time because they probably clues. But hotels, you know, they make your bed every day. Every day and stuff like that. New time. But Airbnb, you still have to do everything yourself. Yeah, that's true. So yeah, I'm local food, however you are, or finding Nigerian food. Local food. Really? Yeah. Local food. I try to look. I always try to look out for the every country I've been to. If you need. Yeah. Every country. Yeah. I'm about that. Moving on. Okay. So now a bunch of targeted questions. If you had to rebuild your channel from zero subs today, what's the first step? First step is to research ideas, spend a long time with such an ideas, because the ideas are what define the video. If you can come up with good ideas. Yeah. That's you've literally, you know, you have 50% on the way to success. Okay. Because it's all about the idea at the end of the day. If you come up with a bad idea, you execute it. Even if you execute it perfectly, it's still a shit video. Okay. So I'm filming a vlog now about Atlanta. What's a good idea that can do? Knowing me. Knowing you. So it depends. You could do if you're somebody who wanted to do, you want to showcase Atlanta? What part of Atlanta do you want to do? So you have to do like, I was going to go to the Georgia Aquarium High. That's just one thing. You can do 25 in Atlanta. Well, I spent 25 in Atlanta. Well, I spent 25 in America's something city. So see, okay, can we talk about this? Why do you just, ah. Okay. So as a creator, I struggle so much with being like a voice. Why? Because we're you fight over this all the time. Because whenever he tells me to title my videos, I'm always like, I can't be like, I spent 24 hours in America's blackest city. I feel like it's just so like, do you want to make money? If you want to get, if you want to get your videos seen by a lot of people, you always need to title it something that has the potential for lots of them. So authoritative, like it feels so like, I am here and listen to me watch my video. Isn't that the whole point? Yeah, we're like, oh, I just feel like I don't want to be like, what you're doing? I think you're the one seeing it that way. Because people want to see, yeah, people want to see your perspective. Do you think so from behind the camera? I mean, from what I was the same way. He was like, no, I'm supposed to be just from the front. I'm like, bro, I don't don't form videos. Yeah. That was a very formal video. It's just like, okay, that expanded my reach more. But we eat more to that and call to actually like tell him what he wanted to do and works. Oh, the camera is picking up audio too. Yeah. I'm thinking about the content why it's like, why is it being edited? Okay, I want to make sure I'm this. So no, there is. He knows it. We leave the live. This is the work. But that scares me to do that. No, scared. Don't scare me. You guys like my content will change once I start being more like bracket. Like, this is auditing and I'm telling you exactly why you should be here. Because think about it. The truth is that even up till now, if I'm making a video, I'm not going to name it. Even if I have over a million subscribers, I'm going to name it something that I know somebody who has probably never seen my channel. They'll probably want to click on it. Guys, if you're watching my videos from now on and you see changes, I promise you I'm the same person. I'm just more like, I'm just very like adventurous. I'm looking for more money. Because like, even my vlogs, when I first started, I was like, weekly vlog. I tried this and it's so much. And my vlog's not very like, I don't want to say too much. I've been saying Toronto vlog, like Toronto tour, like living in Toronto. I'm like, I'm thinking about it. I'm trying to run. No, you're somebody. Think about it. Think about it. You spend so much time filming editing, paying all these people to do all the things. I've not done all that work. Don't you want it to be seen? Is that not the whole point? Much is missing. I might feel like I'm being shy about sharing that with myself. How dare I? Why? How dare you? Because I'm telling everything. It's just my day. It was all good to me. Anyways, what's the wildest thing that's happened filming abroad to you? I got arrested. Really? If you appear? Yeah, if you appear. Don't mind them. That's the fight you for that. I can ask the wildest thing that's happened. But apart from that, I can't really point to anything. It's just being nice. They're being whatever. Apart from that, what's the wildest thing? I drowned. Why survived? I almost drowned. Oh, I've almost drowned before in Portugal. I went surfing. I tried surfing now. What would you try surfing if you can't swim? Well, I was trying to be adventurous. I can swim, but I can't float. I can't move in the water, but I can't like stay in the water and float. So, I was trying to surf for the first time in Portugal and I went to this place called Nazare. It's one of the biggest surfing places in the world. I went there and then we're surfing. It wasn't even like a big wave or anything about this, but I just noticed that I think I noticed that the waves has actually moved me all the way from the shore. So I was like in the middle of the ocean. And I was like, look at that. The shore was so fiery and I was like, oh, shit, how am I going to get about there? And then the wave came and the wave was pushing me off the boat. So I had to hold on to the boat, like a life raft because I couldn't swim. My leg wasn't touching the ground. I was not. It was scary. And I was doing it one day. And there was nobody. Wait, did they have an instructor with you? People on tutorials fired away. And the instructor had, no, the instructor had, so we were like 12 students. Yeah, there was a zoom that you know, I didn't know what I was doing. I almost died. I don't want to learn how to surf, too, but I know like I need to be a good streamer like in open water. Yeah, that's what I'm, that's why I'm trying to get to actually. I'm going to continue just to me and listen. I'm going to talk about this. Best interaction you've, you've had on a trip. Best interaction. Like is it with a local or with somebody I went to? It's both or neither or best interaction. I think about the country or just what the interaction was. You know, you know my problem. I have so many experiences. Like so I'm trying to look at our country because I've done over almost 50 countries now. Okay. See one of your favorites, maybe not best then. A favorite interaction. The first thing that comes to your mind and go. Okay, I would say I'll talk about the most recent one was in Albania and there was this one of a lodge in Tets in Albania and then we're just outside and we're just like we're talking. I know. So it was it was good conversation. We're drinking Albanian vodka and we're just cool vibes and they put the litre fireplace and the way else they're around it. Did they know your air? Taya, you know? No, no, no, no guys. I'm just, I'm an enjoying or whatever. I want to travel to zoo like fun for men because they can do that. Like I'll be worried. There are women there too. Really? Yeah. People sitting around. If I was two, two vibes. She's the only time you worry. You need to travel. Travel, travel. I'm telling more. We're doing a trip together. Let's figure out which one. No, no, no, we know the one we're doing. Oh, okay, okay. I don't know. I'm telling you what it is. You're not asking me. Yes. I'm asking for my opinion. Yeah, I'm telling me. Wow. Yeah. What are you doing there? I'll think about it. What do you mean? I mean, I'll think about it. No, no, yes. Why not? I'll think about it. I don't want to do a venture with me. Why are you asking about it? Why did you suddenly go again? Fine, whatever. I don't want to do this yourself. Fine. I'm not going to do it alone. Are you sure? No, no, no. Let's go. Okay. Um, we're going to now talk about, I'm going to talk about. Don't know this in my mind before you just reach it. Oh, is it not that I wrote the questions? Yeah, but this one he did. He added to it. Okay, so we're going on a trip together. Okay. We're very excited about it. And then we're going to also do our group trip. We didn't say, okay, how are you giving that out? But that's a good situation. No, no, I'm saying the fuck guys, I'm going to say something about tell you me and him, right? So apparently people say this isn't about you. That you're like the fifth person, that date. I told me that exact statement. So I took a time and I said, oh, by the way, we're going to be that lunch together. We're doing the podcast. And he said, are you asking me? Are you telling me? I said, I don't, I was telling you. I don't know. I didn't know there was an option. Then he said, so it should be an option. And I realized that sometimes I just just, I don't demand. I don't think I'm rude. Do you think I'm rude? Because I know you. I don't think yeah, I just like, it's just like, I don't know how old are people. Because think about it this way. I wouldn't like talk about that with other people. But like when I, when I said that, it was because I was like, oh, you're my friend. So you make time for me. One. Oh, I see what you're talking about. Like it was just more of like a, I know you enough to know that like if I said, we're going to do podcast, if I asked you to come into the podcast, you say why are you asking me of course, exactly. All the middle men just jump right into what during the podcast were filming today. And it's also good because that's why I gave you that response. Exactly. Because yeah, because you're like, I think I was like, yes, but what's to do in this? I let you know when. And it worked out. Okay. So we're platonic friends. How do you build boundaries and still work together with people? Because traveling is a lot, right? You talk about like being out to something. What's up? Are you in a really straight single? What are you doing? Are you vibing? Is that the question? Yes, it wasn't in some way. No, but that's not the question you're asking. No, that's it. No, you're asking about platonic friends. I read the question. Why are you, why are you saying? I was thinking about it from like a platonic friends building boundaries with people situation, right? Because people who know Thai, I know, no person on private level because every time I talk on my podcast, I always ask me from say, when I'm telling them, no, I'm married. Okay. And I guess my answer to that. So do you have an answer to that? How do you say boundaries? First of all, are you single or you married? You asked me so many questions. What are you asking me? Are you single? Are you married? I'm not married. I'm not married yet. Okay. And then next question is, how do you then build boundaries? What as you travel? Like how do you know? Because you just go at your age and you're almost 50. So how do you, like how are you able to live? How do you every time it's going to kill me? I was like this episode. How are you able to like just move through life? Because I'll give you an example. My mom thinks I've lost my, like she thinks like, like, why am I not home? Why don't I have a house? Why don't I have this? Like, well, that isn't that true. Well, that you've lost your way. Am I lost my way? Do you think I have? Tell me, do you really think I have? Why do I have a house? Yeah, well, that's different way. But I feel like for, I don't know if it's different from men, than for women, right? Because our career is also different. First of all, like seeing our job is to travel, or to live life and to experience life. What people who do understand this is already something about that from like, you're constantly going to different places. How do you keep those boundaries, keep those personal lives separate, still prioritize like your personal life plus travel? Because I know you're not, you say you're going for a month in somewhere else. Yeah. You're just doing that, living life. How? Well, it comes to the job. It's just what it is. Like now, currently, I'm going to be in the years for a very month. Yeah. So it's just what it is. Like walk needs to be done. But can I tell the, can you say that? Well, Sophie's mom walk needs to be done. She's a great travel vlogger. Yeah. True. Walk needs to be done. But she's not a great travel vlogger. She just started out traveling. So she can't sister. I want more. Yeah. Who's side are you on right now? I miss a woman yesterday. She was like, Oh, how's your mom? I was like, she's fine. They're like, Oh, that woman. I'm trying my best. Okay. So what did, what have you learned about love and relationships then while building a career? I think I've learned is important to find the right person who understands you and what you're trying to do because I didn't have the day. I think that they won't come first, finding like who understands you. Before thinking about many other things, because if you're trying to build a career, depending on what you're trying to do, and if you're trying to really go far with it, there needs to be like a synergy between you and that person. And I think another thing to have learned to is also good to be with somebody who also has a thing going. Who also is on our own journey. So that way, we can support each other. Because if you are just doing your own journey and that person is not, doesn't have any journey of your own, like then, like it depends, they might, they might, it might be a problem to your own journey. Of course, you'll be able to understand the relates. But for example, if I was doing something, now let's say I was an entrepreneur, I'm an entrepreneur, I'm building a business, and I have somebody who is also maybe an entrepreneur, she doesn't have to be an entrepreneur, she has her own career. When I say like, oh, you know, I have to do this thing, I have to get this thing done. You have a better understanding than somebody who has never done business before, doesn't understand what you're trying to do. So that way, we reduce this friction. So I think that's one of the first parts. And yeah, I think, um, yeah, I think that's it basically. I actually learned that too, because I, I've dated everyone from this. He did it every one. Wow. That's what I mean, I tell them a lot. That's what I do. But I've learned that the best thing has always been finding somebody who understands your journey. Like who understands the group, who understands like where you're going. Yeah. Because like, I'm probably like also feeling how you're able to do all these things. I'm like, because I have support, like I have a good support system that helps me like navigate life. Would you say your support system in terms of relationship? I like people that you're like, it's, uh, it's not a platonic. It was the opposite of platonic. I don't know. But sure, romantic romantic. Would you say it's something that you're romantic with? Would you just say those friends are like people that you know that platonic? Both. So like, I had to find my romantic partner have to be somebody who understood my priority. Like they understood that, oh, I don't want to have an apartment anymore. I want to travel. I can go like it's just learning that, oh, this is where I'm going to be. I'm putting things in place. But having someone who's supportive of you on your dreams is everything to me. And that's what I've learned. Because for a lot of Nigerian people, I know I have a lot of young black women who listen. And even like when I was doing all this my mom is like, oh, who's going to end up marrying you? Where are you going to stay? What are you going to do all these things? I don't think that's I wonder why parents say that sometimes, but I don't think that would be a problem. Do you feel like you're a problem? How much do I know? You're stubborn. I know you're stubborn. Yeah, but like, well, you need somebody who is more stubborn than you are. Yeah, but see how like, minus times minus is close. Oh, it's minus actually. I'm thinking about it. It's like, I know math. It's plus. In minus times minus is plus. Oh, wow. Okay. Oh, I feel that man. That's it. I see how do I explain this? It's just I think it's from a woman's thing. It's a woman's thing like, yeah, it's different. It's different for sure. Mothers would tell you, oh, you have to be assessing. We have to be demure. You have to be modest. You have to be like, there's more of rules in our society for young women. Yeah, for sure. And it's for mentors. For sure. Marry is something that we hear all the time. And I'm like, how many nice guys hear that though? You know, I wonder. I said yesterday. And maybe last to 85 times. Do you? Okay, I have a question for you. Do you believe marriages and achievements? Oh, we talk about this. No, I don't think so. Absolutely not. Then why do people celebrate it? Because we've as a society have put marriage on a pedestal. Because think about it from this angle. Marriage came as an institution for women to be able to have land and property with their husbands are meant to like when you're married or some of your more respectable in society. So it's like a step, right? You finish your education, you get married, you have kids, you're furthering your lineage, all of that stuff. And that's what the human life, the dream, the story we're told is you're born, you finish all your school, you get to at least university, you find the love of your life because there's always a love of your life. That person is one. You can't find several of your lives. You're ideally find love of your life as a woman. You're supposed to hold yourself to that love of your life, coms. You marry, you have a boy and a girl child, you find the house. It's true. You find the house, you buy a car, maybe each of you have a car, a mini sedan or something else. You grow old, the kids have grandchildren, you have grandchildren and you die. Okay. That's not my story. That's one story I ever wanted. But that's the story that they've told us. So for a lot of people, marriage is like that next step for that story. And for people who decide and say, I don't want to get married at 25. I want to get married at 35. No, no, no, because you're a woman and your eggs end at 30. So you just make sure you're married before 40. So the time is, so there's a lot of human and society constructs that have put marriage up as this achievement thing that I don't support. I don't agree with because divorce rates are the rates they are for a reason. I just get out of the bus. No, I just get a mouse. No, I might miss get a love. But you also know that like, I'm not like, I feel like I don't see love as an achievement. I think of love as a process. Like something to be enjoyed, like an emotion to be enjoyed to, like I am grateful I fell in love with someone. I'm happy I got to experience that person. I always make sure in a relationship, I'm always whole through that. Like I think a young woman, men are able to navigate those emotions with love a lot more than women are taught to, right? Men are able to add a rejection. And they're told to do this a certain way for young girls. As I like to say on the podcast, love isn't oh, finally, I found love. I'm in heaven. No, no, no, no, no, you should be so whole within yourself. I mean, you fall in love with somebody else. Both of you are. Yeah, I agree with that. It's one plus one equals three. Yeah, both of you create an entity together. If you end up breaking up, that entity is fine. You're still like you're still with someone. Like I said, my one of my episodes was about me being best friends of my exes. I would be like, oh my god, why did I'm like, if a person is good to me, they're good to me forever. Like it's not necessarily, I don't muddy the relationship. I don't make it like it's just good relationships are just not stuff that I prioritize. And I keep boys in that hat, though, Australia, somebody you've been romantically involved with, isn't it hard? Isn't it like a slippery slope sometimes? No, I feel like I swear boundaries and being grown up is if and the person is also like being, you know, weird, and I'll cut them off, of course, but for the most part, like, no, I think people see I see love very differently because again, it's an emotion. It happens. You love people and you move one from it and the story. Okay. All right. Talking about that, do you think creators date differently than non-creators? Because I ended up saying I was never going to date someone who wasn't a public space. And now I'm like, no, I said, the person I have today has to be someone who's in the arts. Oh, really? I can't do a 9 to fiber. Oh, yeah. Well, I think that also goes back to what I was saying about understanding. Yeah. If you're with somebody who is a creator, they understand where you're like, oh, I need to go and do a postcards or I need to travel. It's different. But, yeah, I think creators definitely probably date differently. It's generally people who, you know, there are two types of creators that create those who have their personal lives out there that don't want to have their personal lives private. The story time. I want to date today, guys. Exactly. So, and I know the romantic creator type content always does well. Like, man, a woman. People like you love there. You need to learn it. Share your personal life if you access you. Like, even now, she was the, okay, she just said, the other celebrities do, but like, the latest gist was this kind of thing. Oh, definitely. Yeah. So once we hear about, like, there's always some other relationship to talk, like, people love that or whatever. So, some creators who are in that space, they tend to, you know, use that. So, like, you know, let's make content, even though it's maybe they're not even on good terms together because couples fight, but they also have to make the content. I feel like that's a lot of pressure. That is huge pressure. I don't think I want to do that. Yeah. Never mind. Okay. Now, final question before we close out the podcast, you've been amazing. And then we have the, am I too loud and you're going to run to the camera? After this thing, is that food? After it's your podcast? Is that my job? No, it's just our food. You know, it's our food after all this talk. No food, no drinks, no takeaway, no small chops. If you give me those foods. Wow. Oh, I want small chops now. Are you coming to the dinner later tonight? Are you inviting me? Taking me out on the date? No, no, actually, there's a dinner. There's a private dinner. I didn't invite you. I don't know. I don't know. They kind of know you invite me. No, I didn't know. I should check well. It's supposed to be like a, because I know there's supposed to be African food. That's what I'm saying. Okay. I'm coming. I'm coming. Okay. What's the biggest myth about filmmaking? You want to debunk? Like what's the biggest myth? People about filmmaking or creating content, video, whatever. I think in terms, in terms of my space. Yeah, your space. Is that travel is fun? Yes. If you're creating content for travel, it's not as fun as it. We just make it look fun. It's not, it's not a lot of work. I was in Houston and I was filming every day and it wasn't like, it wasn't like it was fun. I just had to do it because I had to get stuff done. And I'm not complaining as regarding the fact that it's work at the end of the day, but it's a lot of work. Like, people need to realize that. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. Filmmaking is a lot of work. Anybody who really makes content, who makes videos, it's a lot of work. It's with the camera up to record stuff too much. Okay. Most underrated African city to travel to. Underrated. Namibia. Really? I want a good Namibia so bad. Namibia so bad. Okay. Most underrated European city. Based on where I've been to, I would say Albania. Because this is great things about Albania. Albania is actually dope. Albania, Montenegro. You think they're Europe? Yeah, they're Europe. That's not what Eurasia is. No, it's Europe. This is the Balkans. So that's the Balkans. Yeah. It does. Yeah. That makes sense. That makes sense. Eurasia is all them. Okay. Last thing before we close out. All right. So I might too loud if I say, and then just hype yourself up. People have said, like, I'm the best selling author of the best content creates on the planet. Okay. I might too loud if I say, one of the biggest travel creators in the world. I might too loud if I say, I'm one of the best storytellers in the world. I might too loud if I say, one of the best filmmakers out there. I might too loud if I say, I'm with Sophie. You're the shit. I might too loud if I say I'm the shit. Yeah. I'm the shit. All right, guys. Thank you so much. Say I now recommend so I might too loud the podcast. I appreciate you coming on. Thanks for being a good friend to me for chasing my dreams. And for opening me, chase my dreams. And I can't wait to see how much more we get into together. So tropical. We were done though. As you all in the next podcast, I love you guys. Bye, I'm please subscribe to the channel. Yeah. Oh my god. Please follow time on the link is description stuff down below. He didn't subscribe to the channel. They're meant to subscribe to the channel. Okay, guys, don't forget to give us five stars and also subscribe to our channel. Always remember to tell them. Code. Code. Bye, guys.